Showing posts with label quran. Show all posts
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Thursday, October 3, 2013

Rule of altering in islam /LD

According to the rule of replacement theology in islam, which mohammad says is the proper way to interprete the Quran (and muslim sources)- islam does promote terror, deception (lies) and so many un-Godly things.
***The text are in video form located in the following three links!

Abrogation- to repeal, annulment, the act of cancelling; calling off some arrangement, the act of making something legally void, recall, the act (by someone having the authority) of annulling something previously done; "the revocation of a law"

1st stage- Submissive
2nd stage- Defensive
3rd stage- Aggresive

Islam is to be learned and taught in these stages. New comers and strangers to islam are first taught the obsolete version of islam. This is a part of the deception (al taqiyya) in islam. Sadly once you take the vow of a muslim (the shahadah) to leave islam is to take on a death sentance according to islamic law. So by the time you graduate to see you have been properly decieved of what islam stands for you have also been preconditioned to acceptance and even commanded not to ask questions:
"O ye who believe! Ask Not Questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102). " Yes they asked about things that they found wrong with islam, and later woke up! In the true Abrahamic Faith questions are encouraged for spiritual GROWTH!(Is.1:18/ Proverbs 25:2/ Deut.29:29/ Jas.1:5/ Ecc.7:25/ Ecc.1:13/ Proverbs 1:7...)!


According to Mohammad when the quran contridicts itself then the later verse abrogates the prior one! This shows those who follow the true (Word) Prophets and Apostels of God that mohammad isNt a prophet of God and that islam is False!

Heb.13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

_____Documentation_________
Muslims pointing to Islamic sources to support terror!

I will use the layout of Nadal Malik Hasan to show the rule of abrogation. Hasan happens to be the one who shot up the U.S. military base where he served (fort hood). Materials were recovered from his computer (office/ and home) that showed communication between him and Anwar al-Awlaki

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf_nNOfU6-M&feature=related - Pt.1

PROGRESSIVE REVELATION
Verses were revealed as situations and events presented themselves.
Hadiths -Sira- Asbab nasool/ aids in context and order (helps to show order).
* RULE OF ABROGATION
Which revelation should we embrace???
Surah 2:106 None of our revelations do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but we substitute something better or simular: Knowest thou not that Allah hath power overall things?
Ah the better one i see (LoL)
Surah 16:101 When we substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what he reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.

Obviously muslims were already being mocked for constantly changing their rules, which Mohammad did over and over to appease those around him and himself.

CONCEPT OF COMPLETE SUBMISSION
O you who believe enter into islam completely, whole heartedly - Sura 2:208

muslims are to show complete obediance 9to be a Slave of allah. Islam means submission/ Salam means peace. Muslims cant say well I'm moderate and others are extreme muslims. They are to obey reguardless of what they want even if it means killing themselves and others.

Surah 2:256 "there is no complusion in religion"- Abrogated

Example given by hasan
Abraham-(Gold standard) "was indeed a model", devoutly obedient -Surah 16:120 verily Abraham was without doubt, forbearing- Surah 11:75, allah took him as an intimate friend- Surah 4:125
(Muslim sources use, take away and add to Jewish and Christian Sources)
Examples of the perversion (from Gen.22:8-12) as we continue with Hasans layout:
Sura 37:102
And when he attained to working with him, he said: O my son! surely I have seen in a dream that I should sacrifice you... He said: O my father! do what you are commanded; if Allahplease, you will find me of the patient ones.
37:106
Most surely this is a manifest trial
37:108
And we perpetuated (praise) to him among the later generations
37:109 Peace be on Abraham
110 Thus do we reward the doers of good
111 Surely he was oneof Our believing sevants

* Notice the muslim source differs in the area where Abraham comforted his son be telling him that God would provide a lamb as if the Spirit was speaking through him Gen.22:7-8. Abraham knew God was just and leaned on what he knew to be true. Yet Islam looks at this area in a devilish way. Notice this layout doesnt mention the context of Gen.22:12-13 where Abraham was stopped and a lamb was provided! (Jn.8:44) Notice the context islam is stressing instead?

Sura 2:216 - Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not. (very satanic verse/ you dont have to like the ways of the devil that seem to go against your very hearts just submit)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyGoTZPNwRI&feature=related Pt.2

LACK OF SUBMISSION

Sura 2:65 And certainly you have known those among you who exceeded the limits of the Sabbath, so We said to them: Be as apes, despised and hated
Sura 5:60 Say shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribulation from allah? (Worse is he) whom allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom he made apes and swine
Sura 7:166 Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had benn forbidden: We said to them: Be (as) apes dispised and hated.
(personaly i have nothing against apes)

REWARDS

76:12 And their recompense shall be paradice, and silken garments, because they were patient.
76:13 Reclining therein on raised thrones, they will see there neither the excessive heat of the sun, not the excessive bitter cold, 14 And the shade thereof is close upon them, and the branches of fruit thereof will hand low within their reach. 15 and amongst them will be passed round vesselsof silver and cups of crystal
47:15
The discription of paradice which the pious have been promised (is that) in it are rivers of water that taste and smell of which are not changed, rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of clarified honey (clear and pure) therein for them is every kind of fruit, and forgiveness from their Lord...

PUNISHMENT VERSES

8:50 And if you could see when the angels take away the souls of those who disbelieve (at death): they smite their faces and their backs, and saying taste the punishment of blazing fire.
44:43 Verily the tree of Zaqqum 44 will be the food of sinners 45 Like boiling oil it will boil in the bellies, 46 Like the boiling of scalding water 47 (it will be said) Seize him and drag him into the midst of blazing fire 48 Then pour over his head the tourments of boiling water 49 Taste you this verily you were pretending to be the mighty the generous 50 Verily this is that whereof you use to doubt 56 Surely, those who disbelieved in Our ayat (verses, signs ,ect) we shall burn them in fire As often as their skins are roasted through We shall change them for their skins that they may taste the punishment. Truely allah is Ever most powerful, all wise

* EXAMPLE OF JIHAD RULE OF ABROGATION*

* In Mecca Muslims were not permitted to defend themselves (fight). their only job was to deliver the message (Peaceful verses)
* Emigration to Medina:self defense wa allowed
* Then Offensive fighting was allowed
* Later verses abrogated former/ peaceful verses no londer apply
* Indeed at one point Islamic empires spanned from Morocco/ spain to the Border of India/ china

DEFENSIVE VERSES

* permission (to fight) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged: and surely, allah is able to give them victory - Sura 22:39
* those who have been exspelled from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is allah, verily allah will help those who help his (cause). Truely , allah is all strong. all mighty - 22:40
(looks to me like allah needs serious help)
* 60:8 allah forbids you not with reguard to those whofight you for (your) faith nor drive you from your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them:for allah loveth those who are just.
* Fight in the cause of allah those who fight you but do not transgress the limits for allah loveth not transgressors 2:190
* but if they cease, allah is forgiving most merciful 2:192

THE VERSE OF THE SWORD - Notice the order? The former was Abrogated

So when the Sacred months have passed, then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them, and capture them, and lie and wait for them in each and every ambush. but if they repent and perform the Salah, and give the Zakah, then leave their way free. Verily, allahis forgiving and merciful 9:5
(if they become muslims)

Sahih Muslim 1:53 I have been commaned to fight the people until they testify that there is no other deity worthy of worship except allah AND that mohammad is the messenger of allah establish the prayer and pay the Zakah

OFFENSIVE JIHAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

9:29 Fight (Kill) those who do not believein allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what allah and his messenger have prohibited, not follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the book, until they pay the taxin acknowledgement of superiority and are in a state of subjection
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued"
(nations and belief systems that are not islamic are open tragets)


33. Allah is He Who sent His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) with guidance and Din (Religion) of Truth to make him (the Messenger) dominant over every (other exponent of) Din (Religion) though much to the dislike of polytheists.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHpvJQURkyI Pt.3

OFFENSIVE ISLAM of the future (current state)

Al-Bukhaari 2222 and Sahih muslim 155 tHe messenger of allah said By the one in whose hand is my soul, soon the son of maryam will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah and money will become abundant until no one will accept it
(killing all Jews and Christians)


DIFFERENT PATHS TO HEAVEN

2:62 surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Christiansand the sabians, whoever believes in allah and the last day does good, they all have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve / strong>ABROGATED
3:85 and whosoever desires a religion other than islam it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers

CONCLUSIONS (of Hasan)
* God exspects full loyalty. promises heaven and threatens with hell.
* Muslims may be seen as moderate (compromising) but God isnt. /some muslims may claim to be moderate but islam is not/
* "I love the koran and being a muslim but dont want to live under islamic rule" Hasan is pointing out those muslims who like to pick and choose (apostate)
* Fighting to establish an Islamic state to please god, even by force, is condoned in Islam
* muslim soilders should not serve in any capacity that renders then at risk to hurting/ killing believers unjustly / reaction will vary

RECOMMENDATION (HASAN'S)
Department of defense should allow muslim soilders the option of being released as Conscientious objectors to increase trop morale and dcrease adverse events.
All muslims are Required to wage jihad, both the smaller and greater jihad.

Muhammad's Rule of Abrogation
NOTICE: muslims share Abrogated verses to trick (decieve) unknowledgeable people.
1) First stage was tolerance - that became abrogated by
2) Stratagy of defense- that became abrogated by
3) offensive stratagy. (which is in effect today and known as global jihad)
Notice how many verses are Abregated(no longer apply)!
http://www.thequran.com/Abrogations.aspx?t=2&r=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,...
Abrogation:
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&;...

Qur'an 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.

3 Stages of Jihad

(peaceful, Defensive, Agressive)
Orders of revelation In this order of Revelation is how islam is to be learned taught and followed. mature muslims are therefore embracing Aggressive jihad.
http://youtu.be/Ug2XI9U5qXI

Is the quran unprotected or unaltered? (LD)

Muslims like to make alot of claims about islam without Any evidence.
Feel free to discuss the Claim that the quran is inspired and unaltered here.
How can a muslims say The Word (bible and Tanakh) of the Jews and Christians is altered and not inspired when their quran says it IS inspired?
Quran declares the Bible to be a true revelation of God and demands faith in the Bible. Sura 2:40-42,126,136,285; 3:3,71,93; 4:47,136; 5:47-51, 69,71-72; 6:91; 10:37,94; 21:7; 29:45,46; 35:31; 46:11
So when they say our sources are altered they are saying the Quran is garbage!
Sadly muslims follow one man('s ideology). Its said that quran was revealed to muhammad by Gabriel. Muhammad was the only middle man. Its obvious from reading quran that he stole from the tanakh, talmud, Gospels, gnostics and even hindu sources and when doing so he did it in a very ignorant fashion. The revelations dont carry near the layers of revelation and often show contradictions and misundertsnading of the cultures and beliefs from which muhammad stole from. He hijacks names of the prophets and injects them in his quran thus Disrespecting the prophets. Then we are told that allah sent the prophets in vain for their message was lost and that allah corrected himself by sending a sexist, perverted, war mongering, bastard to trust in that tells us that allah is the greatest of decievers, not to ask questions, and who struggled to say anything spiritual.
Why were early muslims burning qurans? http://youtu.be/91AM7665cbo
TEXT NOTES of vids

Muslims use Surah 15:9 to claim quran is unchanged
"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). "
Inna nahnu nazzalna alththikrawa-inna lahu lahafithoona


21:105 Adh-Dhikr (a name of of book/ translated as Torah )
" And indeed We have written in Az-Zabur (Psalms) after Adh-Dhikr (Torah) that My righteous servants shall inherit the land."
Or
"Walaqad katabna fee alzzaboori min baAAdi alththikri anna alarda yarithuha AAibadiya alssalihoona "

So they cant say this can only mean the quran. at best they would have to say it could mean every scripture sent down is protected. Yet the quran contridicts the Tanakh, and the Bible instead of confirming.
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What happened to the chapter on breast feeding which was eaten by a goat (lamb).
What about the chapter on stoning to death?
Can a muslim recite these chapters??
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SahihalBukhari (Book- those who wage war amongst the disbelievers) #6401
Clearly states: people may say over time that they cant find the verses on Rajim (Stoning to death) seeing as its not in the Quran so the hadith goes on to give a fatwa

so the quran was destroyed:)
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Hadith #2308 book of Kanez al Omal
Quran is a thousand thousand letter and seven thousand letter and who say them Allah will give him for each letter two female whore in heaven./ (1 Million 1,027 ,000 letters) which is nowhere near the size of Quran.
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Yet notice that the dead sea scrolls confirm portions of Jewish scriptures.
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According to Mohammed’s wife ‘Aisha, one Sura had 200 verses. By ‘Uthman’s time, it only had 73. One can read this in the book Islam p.191ff by the skeptic Guillaume.

Sura 4:46 (To change words from their place is to alter the Quran)
The earliest verse that was revealed in not placed first in the quran so again someone played with it.
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the message came down in 7 letters 6 of which were destroyed by man
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sahih al muslim 2286 (2 Chapters missing cause they were forgotten)

Ibn Sa'd, Kitab al-Tabaqat al-Kabir, vol2 p 444 (reading todays Quran is to be decieved)

Jami At-Tirmidhi 3104 (avoid coping and reading the deceptive version of Quran today)

Sunan Ibn Majah 1944 verses of stoning and breastfeeding were eaten by a goat (lamb)

Sahih AlBukhari 6.61.510 (some copies of Quran ordered to be burnt)
Volume 6, Book 61, Number 510:
Isa is NOT Jesus. muhammad has taken from many sources of faith. muhammad makes the characters of the Tanakh and the N.T. into completely different characters. The qur’an claims Isa is the one Christians know as Jesus The Christ, yet muhammad claimed to be exhauted above him in the heavens just like the ideology of Lucifer in the Tanakh. islam claims Christ did not pay the price on the cross. muslims are told they should study Isa’s teachings and obey them(Surah 3:48-49; 5:46). What does the Qur’an say about Isa?
Allah sent Isa, supporting Him with the Holy Spirit (Surah 2:87)
Allah exalted Isa (Surah 2:253)
Isa was righteous and sinless (Surah 3:46; 6:85; 19:19)
Isa was raised from the dead (Surah 19:33-34)
Allah commanded Isa to establish a religion (Surah 42:13)
Isa ascended into heaven (Surah 4:157-158) yet muhammad went to the seventh and Christ is noted in a much lower level.

Isa’s teachings were recorded by His disciples in the Injeel (Gospel). Surah 5:111 states that the disciples were inspired by Allah to believe in Isa and His message (Yet quran says allah made it seem to them that Christ had died on the cross that it wasnt him though) The quran completely conridicts the Bible and they are both anti the other. As Allah’s helpers (Surah 61:6, 14), Isa’s disciples would have accurately recorded His teaching.

The Qur’an instructs Muslims to uphold and obey both the Torah and the Gospels (Surah 5:44-48).

muhammad was nothing more than a perverted, self proclaimed prophet and his fruits and ideologies were wicked.
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When Ibn Umar—son of the second Muslim caliph—heard people declaring that they knew the entire Qur’an, he said to them: “Let none of you say, ‘I have learned the whole of the Koran,’ for how does he know what the whole of it is, when much of it has disappeared? Let him rather say, ‘I have learned what is extant thereof.

One of Muhammad’s companions, Abu Musa, said that the early Muslims forgot two surahs (chapters) due to laziness:
Abu Musa al-Ash’ari sent for the reciters of Basra. They came to him and they were three hundred in number. They recited the Qur’an and he said: You are the best among the inhabitants of Basra, for you are the reciters among them. So continue to recite it. (But bear in mind) that your reciting for a long time may not harden your hearts as were hardened the hearts of those before you. We used to recite a surah which resembled in length and severity to (Surah) Bara’at. I have, however, forgotten it with the exception of this which I remember out of it: “If there were two valleys full of riches, for the son of Adam, he would long for a third valley, and nothing would fill the stomach of the son of Adam but dust.” And we used to recite a surah which resembled one of the surahs of Musabbihat, and I have forgotten it

Muhammad’s wife Aisha said that roughly two-thirds of Surah 33 was lost:
A’isha . . . said, “Surat al-Ahzab (xxxiii) used to be recited in the time of the Prophet with two hundred verses, but when Uthman wrote out the codices he was unable to procure more of it than there is in it today [i.e. 73 verses]

It was narrated that Aishah said: “The Verse of stoning and of breastfeeding an adult ten times was revealed, and the paper was with me under my pillow. When the Messenger of Allah died, we were preoccupied with his death, and a tame sheep came in and ate it.”

Incomplete verses?
Surah 33:6 declares that “The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers.” However, Ubayy ibn Ka’b and other early Muslims held that a phrase (“and he is a father of them”) is missing from this verse. Even the great translator Yusuf Ali admits this in his commentary. Ali writes: “In some Qira’ahs, like that of Ubayy ibn Ka’ab, occur also the words ‘and he is a father of them,’ which imply his spiritual relationship and connection with the words ‘and his wives are their mothers.

(The first verse revealed is not first verse in quran and the standard is to change the place of a verse is to pervert the source. And islam claims the first 5 verses of Al Alaq /96th Surah) are te first 5 revealed to Muhammad so them being the 96th surah would be perversion, not to mention would also break down standard of replacing something with something better/ abrogation)