quick responce to muslims who says How can "G-d" come in the flesh If he said he never changes
Abdullahi, Came IN the flesh isnt claiming that flesh is YHVH. So where exactly is the "change"????? I have said it countless times but muslims just dont get it. There are Many Hebrew words translated as G-D, G-d, and or g-d. One is Elohim and it means divine judgement and authority and applies Not only to G-D ALMIGHTY but also includes all instruments of G-D Almighty such as Messiah, Angels, prophets, apostels and basically everyone in covenant with G-D that carries out his divine judgement and authority, the only relation to the flesh is that this is done IN the flesh/ led of the SPIRIT. spirit is liked unto the wind you cant see the wind but you can see its effects. you cant see Spirit other than by its effects/works (love, hate, envy, faith, intelect... these things are spirit and are only Observed through actions in the physical). thus in this context men are often called Elohim (theos in the greek) which again is ONE term translated as G-d. Its NOT claiming that these people are G-D Almighty and Not a single title of G-D relates to flesh (El, Elyon, Elohim, Eloah, Elah,....) In Jn 1:1,14 we are told that the Word its self was with G-D and was G-d (divine in authorityy and judgement) and that it was "made" flesh. This word "made" from the kjv means to come to pass and is translated as such 82 times. So G-d's Word came to pass IN the flesh. Why did G-d need (use) flesh for his Word to come to pass? Because his Word had already delcared it would. Torah gives a standard of Blood atonement and Yeshua (Jesus) makes it clear that he came to overcome death (be crusified as do other scriptures such as Heb.2:14). Messiah is Adon- Lord as IN the earth (in relation to creation). The Almighty isnt limited to being within his own creation thus his annointed one (Messiah) comes to do the will of the Almighty within the earth. This postion is called the right hand of G-D (power and works of G-d in relation to creation). G-D Almighty is spirit and every man has a spirit that came from G-D Almighty and when they do his willl the will that is done is that of Elohim (G-d). It seems to me that muslims struggle to think spiritually and are carnal minded and Yeshua said such people cant understand the postion of Messiah. Yall simpley look at his flesh rather than his works which are spiritual and of the Father.
Friday, August 1, 2014
Tuesday, February 11, 2014
Ruth & Rachab
I recall someone commenting on a woman (or two) that are often accussed of being prostitutes when in fact they are not. Can anyone supply any info on this.
Also i was recently approached with comments about Matt.1:5 where we have Jospeh's line in relation to Mary(Jesus) and the mention of Rechab and Ruth of which the individual claimed both were prostitues. Joshua 2:1 does seem to say that the Rehab of... Joshua 2 is a "harlot". I couldn't get the guy to give me any documentation of ruth being a "prostitute" yet Deut.23:3 says no Moabite shall enter the congregation of The LORD (the companion bible says this is in the masculine here so didnt include (exclude) Ruth and yet the strongs says "Moabite or Moabitess" for H#4125) Ruth 1:4 / Ruth 4:5 (Ruth 2:10)
So Im looking for any info on any of these areas.
1/ If a Moabite wasn't to enter in the congregation of the LORD why is one in Joseph's line?
2/ Who is it that is often accussed of being a prostitute yet it cant be documented biblically?
3/ Is the "Rechab" of Matt 1:5 the "harlot" of Joshua 2:1 if so what purpose does this serve in the legal line of Yeshua?
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I recently looked back into the subject upon responding to someone else asking about Ruth being a moabite. Just wanted to share what i dug up while in the process (Praise YHVH).
The individual asked if the curse(LAW) of Deut 23:3 was removed from Ruth (after claiming Boaz redeemed her).
As for relation to the Law, I don't believe laws are removed but rather fulfilled. In this case the only fulfillment is to institute the standard. However upon comparing scriptures i think modernized interpretion is where the issue is.
Example: Within the scriptures we have 3 uses of the term "Jew". 1) one of the tribe of Judah (PHY. descendants of Judah) Some lump all tribes under this identification when each had their own 2)Geographical: one who dwells in the territory of Judah and when the kingdom was split one who considers Jerusalem the capital & its king the king 3) one of the Faith according to Torah(Word). The same goes with the use of Moab in the scriptures! (Geographical,& OR Physical relation /by blood)
Deut 23:3 say no Moabite in the congregation H#4125 a Moabite or Moabitess, that is, a 1)Descendant from Moab <-individual not location (phy): - (woman) of Moab (geographical anor or phy?), Moabite (-ish, -ss). in relation to a people
Can we apply this to Ruth 1:4? Can we say that Ruth being a "stranger" (Ruth 2:10)means foreigner (geographic loc.) rather than tribal lieniage? H#5237
Matt 1:5 says Ruth is in the Regal/Legal line of Joseph/Jesus.
Ruth 1:4 says Ruth was a woman taken from Moab (geographical location Not from Moab the man or his line) Ruth 4:5 again relates to the land /Geographical sense of the term!
Ruth 1:1-3 we see Elimelech's family (a Jewish Family) in Moab (the Land). I take it you know that according to Rabbinic Judaisim, Jewish identity (of the seed) is through the mother but tribal identification is of the Father. One of the sons of Elimelech took Ruth to wife Ruth 1:4 (still carrying the geographical sense) never said she wasnt of the congregation of the seed or faith of Israel! Boaz ordainied it and he was of relation to Elimelech Ruth 2:1. so IF Moab wasn't used in the geographical sense (which we have clear evidence it was) then Boaz would have been offending Torah as well as Ruths (Jewish) Husband that also dwelled in Moab. (Ruth 4:5/ Ruth 4:9) Boaz called Ruth daughter showing me that she was identified in a phy sense to be related to Israel (Ruth2:8). Ruth 2:11 drives it home for me.
I ask you was Elimelech (a Levite) also a Moabite (of Moab)? ONLY in a geographical sense. The standard of Deut 23:3 never would have applied to Ruth if all this is true .
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Rabbinic commentaries point out that "Moabite" in Deut.23:3 is in the masculine thus not excluding Ruth (IF she be of Moab in any other way than location). However the prior verse stress the females need to be of the descendants of Jacob. Otherwise the seed would still be considered outside of the camp!
The individual asked if the curse(LAW) of Deut 23:3 was removed from Ruth (after claiming Boaz redeemed her).
As for relation to the Law, I don't believe laws are removed but rather fulfilled. In this case the only fulfillment is to institute the standard. However upon comparing scriptures i think modernized interpretion is where the issue is.
Example: Within the scriptures we have 3 uses of the term "Jew". 1) one of the tribe of Judah (PHY. descendants of Judah) Some lump all tribes under this identification when each had their own 2)Geographical: one who dwells in the territory of Judah and when the kingdom was split one who considers Jerusalem the capital & its king the king 3) one of the Faith according to Torah(Word). The same goes with the use of Moab in the scriptures! (Geographical,& OR Physical relation /by blood)
Deut 23:3 say no Moabite in the congregation H#4125 a Moabite or Moabitess, that is, a 1)Descendant from Moab <-individual not location (phy): - (woman) of Moab (geographical anor or phy?), Moabite (-ish, -ss). in relation to a people
Can we apply this to Ruth 1:4? Can we say that Ruth being a "stranger" (Ruth 2:10)means foreigner (geographic loc.) rather than tribal lieniage? H#5237
Matt 1:5 says Ruth is in the Regal/Legal line of Joseph/Jesus.
Ruth 1:4 says Ruth was a woman taken from Moab (geographical location Not from Moab the man or his line) Ruth 4:5 again relates to the land /Geographical sense of the term!
Ruth 1:1-3 we see Elimelech's family (a Jewish Family) in Moab (the Land). I take it you know that according to Rabbinic Judaisim, Jewish identity (of the seed) is through the mother but tribal identification is of the Father. One of the sons of Elimelech took Ruth to wife Ruth 1:4 (still carrying the geographical sense) never said she wasnt of the congregation of the seed or faith of Israel! Boaz ordainied it and he was of relation to Elimelech Ruth 2:1. so IF Moab wasn't used in the geographical sense (which we have clear evidence it was) then Boaz would have been offending Torah as well as Ruths (Jewish) Husband that also dwelled in Moab. (Ruth 4:5/ Ruth 4:9) Boaz called Ruth daughter showing me that she was identified in a phy sense to be related to Israel (Ruth2:8). Ruth 2:11 drives it home for me.
I ask you was Elimelech (a Levite) also a Moabite (of Moab)? ONLY in a geographical sense. The standard of Deut 23:3 never would have applied to Ruth if all this is true .
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Rabbinic commentaries point out that "Moabite" in Deut.23:3 is in the masculine thus not excluding Ruth (IF she be of Moab in any other way than location). However the prior verse stress the females need to be of the descendants of Jacob. Otherwise the seed would still be considered outside of the camp!
Sunday, December 15, 2013
Tomb of prophets (BH)
Resting place of Prophets Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi. Located on the side of the mount of olives in the Kidron Valley.
The complex has been used throughout history to entomb prophets, priests, and later even Christians
Wednesday, December 11, 2013
solar?
Some that are members here are interested in Solar Hebrew calendars. This thread is for such members. * Col. 2:16-17/ * Rom.14:5-6
I personally can't support an idea that the biblical calendar was strictly solar so while this post once consisted of a solar converter for such people I have deleted such. I will let those who follow such figure out their own observances.
Sundial from Herold's temple. Thought to have been used by priests to determin certain times of priestly duties
Feel free to checkout the group on Biblical artifacts!
Enoch's pillar documents 3 different calendars, which would lead one to believe each has its own purpose and use. The scriptures use both lunar (monthly) and solar (daily/yearly) calculations and so do I.
Some say Hebrew calendars are not exact from year to year in comparision to how solar calendars work. Yet the biblical use of a Hebrew calendar Would keep the same standards throughout time thus the observances would fall at the same time every year according to the cycle. Modern Solar calendars on the other hand have exactly 365 1/4 days (leap days included), yet science shows slight variations in the length of the year and the day. Throughout time this would be slightly more significant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year
The fact is the Hebrew calendar is NOT a strictly "lunar calendar". More on that HERE.
The Hebrew calendar is both solar and lunar combined according to the calendar but when compared to western calendars that are strictly solar which would ignore the verses where the lunar is mentioned in observances (Rosh Hodesh). ANYWAY, i think we all know people set aside different times to Praise The LORD and that we arent to judge them for they Priase the LORD.
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1 Ths. 5:5/ Ex.12:2 (spring equinox considered with the beginning of a solar year /and Passover/ and first month of Jewish calendar)
The solar calendar allows annual celebrations to the day, even the SELFSAME DAY. Ex.12:17 / Ex.12:41/ Ex.12:51/ (Moons /months are considered moons and figured through lunar calendars) Yet as for days and years solar calendars are used.
Again enoch's pillar records Solar and Lunar for a reason. There is a reason for both example:
A lunar calendar has 29.530587 days and odd number, you cant equally divide that by seven to locate a sabbath day. Days and years - Solar// months- moons
Signs in the Heavens
http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/group/historyastronomyastrology/foru...
Gen.1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.
Seasons- festivals
(Jer.10:2) These signs relay info yet the heathens have been known to worship the signs themselves rather than the message.
(For more on the Biblical use of the heavens for time click HERE)
1 Thess.5:5 Ye are all the children of light and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
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The "Jewish calendar" is not spacifically lunar or solar but rather a combination of the two. Enoch's pillar documents 3 ways to calculate a calendar as well. (suggested blogs)
The sun is used to determin years and days (Solar)/ the moon is used to determine months (Lunar). The relation of these two determine seasons on the earth as well as hours of sun and darkness.
(Ps.104:19/ Gen.18:22/ Joel 2:31/...) Eclipses of these are mentioned as a Solar Eclipse -“the sun turns to darkness” /and a Lunar Eclipse- “the moon turns to blood” - Lunar Eclipse.
The bible mentions names of the Hebrew months yet the details of how the biblical calendar works are within the scriptures themselves, of which knowledge is debated within tradtional circles. The purpose of the Hebrew calendar was for set aside days, planting and harvest of crops, and so forth.
The High Priest would start the calendar when he noted the equinox. (There is no mention of a 13th month 1 Kings 7:4) A 13th month was(is) a rabbinical way of calculating a leap year which threw (throws) out the rule of thumb in God's Word.
Example:
Passover is to start on the 1st month of the year (Nisan) 14 days after Spring equinox (new moon).
Lev.23:5 while this verse mentions months(moons), we also know that the month is the first one of the year (solar). The precise way to determine the 1st of the year depends on solar (spring equinox) observance Not Lunar yet the first of the month is based on the moon. So the question arises from where do we start to count 14 days(solar) off to approach Pesach. So how do we relate the solar
9days and years) to the lunar (months) without making it all lunar or solar? Strict solar observances count 14 days from spring equinox. Lunar counts 14 nights from the new moon. But how do we count 14 days from both the spring equinox and the new moon (Rosh Codesh/1st sliver of moon)? This causes alot of debate. While the "Jewish calendar" (which Is both lunar and solar) has two "new years" per say, is it based on biblical interpretation and precise? (open for discussion)
A Equinox occurs twice a year (Spiring and Fall). This occurs when the sun crosses the equator. The sun rises at a spacific location at these two times every year. Therefore this type knowledge would be used to mark such a date. The seasons are divided into 4 groups of 3 (months). The sun rotates to heating either the northern or southern hemispheres more, it changes at the spring and fall equinox. At this time there are equal hours of day light and night on that given day. Pesach is the first appointed time(Moed).
Gen.3:24 Man was seperated from the garden towards the east. To return he would come from the east. The Tribe of Judah (King line) was placed east of the temple during the times of the tabernacle in the wilderness (Num.2:3). Mashiach was born in the territory of Judah. Christ entered through the east gate to be inspected of blemish prior to the crusifixtion. When Mashiach returns he will do so upon The Mount of Olives to the east and from there go towards the temple mount (Zech.14:4). The wisemen that came to confirm the message within the stars of The King came from the east.
Should we gather that God was capable of astronomically placing the temple and thus the tribes in precise directions? Josh. 4:19 encamped east of Jericho on The First Month. The temple faced the east. Can we gather that YHVH originally set the Temple in such a way as to determine the equinox?
Could the east gate have been a door way to see the rising Sun at the time of the equinox? Many Scholars say Yes!
On the equinox:
"As the sun rises in the east over the Mount of Olives, the sun would be seen in the arch way of the east gate from the door of the Temple or the sun would be viewed over the top of the gate. The High priest could then determine the equinox and the starting of the calendar and seasons for the festivals as the sun would shine through the east gate and light the door of the Temple of God."- Oscar J. Terrazas
Eze.43:1,2 Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: 2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
Eze.46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
On set aside days the door was to be opened. conformation of these set aside times was done through the observation of the heavens. Some of these depended on new moon/ months (lunar) observances and others solar (days and years). (Today one Hillel is considered the father of the "jewish" and or "Hebrew calender" in rabbinical circles)
The Talmud states: “The Rabbis taught: Anyone seeing the Sun at its turning point should say “Blessed is He who made the Creation”. This is showing obvious attention to the equinox.
This is that form of Pesach Yeshua was telling the disciples that he would partake with them in the kingdom. It's his fruits (Word) returning unto him through us (not void). They that sacrifice is us in our love for YHVH (dying of self). This is why there is no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord! (Canaanite representing the heathan in the promised land/ kingdom). We will no longer be effected by evil/ the uncircumcised.
Yeshua left us with a way to relate to the physical sacrifice in a Spiritual sense (Lk.22:19-20/ 1 Cor.11:23,24,25/ again Matt 26:29 no longer in remembrance after 7th trumpet (Col.2:17). The reason Yeshua is partaking of the cup (of acceptance) at this time is to observe our Fruits of The Vine. Selah
As for Eze.40-48 It is written in relation to the temple of old as well as the Lord's Day. Those of us that relate Eze.40-48 to the Lord's Day have to do so indirectly. This perhaps helps us in understanding other areas in which seemingly physical sacrifices are in refferance to areas of which we are in the Spirit (during the Lord's Day)./ (Eze.43:20,26; 45:15,17,20)
I personally can't support an idea that the biblical calendar was strictly solar so while this post once consisted of a solar converter for such people I have deleted such. I will let those who follow such figure out their own observances.
Enoch's pillar documents 3 different calendars, which would lead one to believe each has its own purpose and use. The scriptures use both lunar (monthly) and solar (daily/yearly) calculations and so do I.
Some say Hebrew calendars are not exact from year to year in comparision to how solar calendars work. Yet the biblical use of a Hebrew calendar Would keep the same standards throughout time thus the observances would fall at the same time every year according to the cycle. Modern Solar calendars on the other hand have exactly 365 1/4 days (leap days included), yet science shows slight variations in the length of the year and the day. Throughout time this would be slightly more significant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year
The fact is the Hebrew calendar is NOT a strictly "lunar calendar". More on that HERE.
The Hebrew calendar is both solar and lunar combined according to the calendar but when compared to western calendars that are strictly solar which would ignore the verses where the lunar is mentioned in observances (Rosh Hodesh). ANYWAY, i think we all know people set aside different times to Praise The LORD and that we arent to judge them for they Priase the LORD.
___________________________
1 Ths. 5:5/ Ex.12:2 (spring equinox considered with the beginning of a solar year /and Passover/ and first month of Jewish calendar)
The solar calendar allows annual celebrations to the day, even the SELFSAME DAY. Ex.12:17 / Ex.12:41/ Ex.12:51/ (Moons /months are considered moons and figured through lunar calendars) Yet as for days and years solar calendars are used.
Again enoch's pillar records Solar and Lunar for a reason. There is a reason for both example:
A lunar calendar has 29.530587 days and odd number, you cant equally divide that by seven to locate a sabbath day. Days and years - Solar// months- moons
Signs in the Heavens
http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/group/historyastronomyastrology/foru...
Gen.1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.
Seasons- festivals
(Jer.10:2) These signs relay info yet the heathens have been known to worship the signs themselves rather than the message.
(For more on the Biblical use of the heavens for time click HERE)
1 Thess.5:5 Ye are all the children of light and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
__________________________
The "Jewish calendar" is not spacifically lunar or solar but rather a combination of the two. Enoch's pillar documents 3 ways to calculate a calendar as well. (suggested blogs)
The sun is used to determin years and days (Solar)/ the moon is used to determine months (Lunar). The relation of these two determine seasons on the earth as well as hours of sun and darkness.
(Ps.104:19/ Gen.18:22/ Joel 2:31/...) Eclipses of these are mentioned as a Solar Eclipse -“the sun turns to darkness” /and a Lunar Eclipse- “the moon turns to blood” - Lunar Eclipse.
The bible mentions names of the Hebrew months yet the details of how the biblical calendar works are within the scriptures themselves, of which knowledge is debated within tradtional circles. The purpose of the Hebrew calendar was for set aside days, planting and harvest of crops, and so forth.
The High Priest would start the calendar when he noted the equinox. (There is no mention of a 13th month 1 Kings 7:4) A 13th month was(is) a rabbinical way of calculating a leap year which threw (throws) out the rule of thumb in God's Word.
Example:
Passover is to start on the 1st month of the year (Nisan) 14 days after Spring equinox (new moon).
Lev.23:5 while this verse mentions months(moons), we also know that the month is the first one of the year (solar). The precise way to determine the 1st of the year depends on solar (spring equinox) observance Not Lunar yet the first of the month is based on the moon. So the question arises from where do we start to count 14 days(solar) off to approach Pesach. So how do we relate the solar
9days and years) to the lunar (months) without making it all lunar or solar? Strict solar observances count 14 days from spring equinox. Lunar counts 14 nights from the new moon. But how do we count 14 days from both the spring equinox and the new moon (Rosh Codesh/1st sliver of moon)? This causes alot of debate. While the "Jewish calendar" (which Is both lunar and solar) has two "new years" per say, is it based on biblical interpretation and precise? (open for discussion)
A Equinox occurs twice a year (Spiring and Fall). This occurs when the sun crosses the equator. The sun rises at a spacific location at these two times every year. Therefore this type knowledge would be used to mark such a date. The seasons are divided into 4 groups of 3 (months). The sun rotates to heating either the northern or southern hemispheres more, it changes at the spring and fall equinox. At this time there are equal hours of day light and night on that given day. Pesach is the first appointed time(Moed).
Gen.3:24 Man was seperated from the garden towards the east. To return he would come from the east. The Tribe of Judah (King line) was placed east of the temple during the times of the tabernacle in the wilderness (Num.2:3). Mashiach was born in the territory of Judah. Christ entered through the east gate to be inspected of blemish prior to the crusifixtion. When Mashiach returns he will do so upon The Mount of Olives to the east and from there go towards the temple mount (Zech.14:4). The wisemen that came to confirm the message within the stars of The King came from the east.
Should we gather that God was capable of astronomically placing the temple and thus the tribes in precise directions? Josh. 4:19 encamped east of Jericho on The First Month. The temple faced the east. Can we gather that YHVH originally set the Temple in such a way as to determine the equinox?
Could the east gate have been a door way to see the rising Sun at the time of the equinox? Many Scholars say Yes!
On the equinox:
"As the sun rises in the east over the Mount of Olives, the sun would be seen in the arch way of the east gate from the door of the Temple or the sun would be viewed over the top of the gate. The High priest could then determine the equinox and the starting of the calendar and seasons for the festivals as the sun would shine through the east gate and light the door of the Temple of God."- Oscar J. Terrazas
Eze.43:1,2 Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: 2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
Eze.46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
On set aside days the door was to be opened. conformation of these set aside times was done through the observation of the heavens. Some of these depended on new moon/ months (lunar) observances and others solar (days and years). (Today one Hillel is considered the father of the "jewish" and or "Hebrew calender" in rabbinical circles)
The Talmud states: “The Rabbis taught: Anyone seeing the Sun at its turning point should say “Blessed is He who made the Creation”. This is showing obvious attention to the equinox.
This is that form of Pesach Yeshua was telling the disciples that he would partake with them in the kingdom. It's his fruits (Word) returning unto him through us (not void). They that sacrifice is us in our love for YHVH (dying of self). This is why there is no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord! (Canaanite representing the heathan in the promised land/ kingdom). We will no longer be effected by evil/ the uncircumcised.
Yeshua left us with a way to relate to the physical sacrifice in a Spiritual sense (Lk.22:19-20/ 1 Cor.11:23,24,25/ again Matt 26:29 no longer in remembrance after 7th trumpet (Col.2:17). The reason Yeshua is partaking of the cup (of acceptance) at this time is to observe our Fruits of The Vine. Selah
As for Eze.40-48 It is written in relation to the temple of old as well as the Lord's Day. Those of us that relate Eze.40-48 to the Lord's Day have to do so indirectly. This perhaps helps us in understanding other areas in which seemingly physical sacrifices are in refferance to areas of which we are in the Spirit (during the Lord's Day)./ (Eze.43:20,26; 45:15,17,20)
random perfection discussion
Dave A friend of mine believes she is perfect and no longer sins because of Jesus.
Are we sin free, are we perfect or do we still sin and if we do does this mean we don't have Jesus?
Please provide all or any scripture.
Me- 1 Jn.2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous
Dave Tremblay Will Hindsman, so you believe you no longer sin, you are perfect?
Me At least you put a question mark following your assertion! I simpley quoted John would you have given him the same responce? The only way one fulfills Torah is by AtonementS provided by G-D himself. People lead of the spirit find no pleasure in sin and the gospel is in no way a license to sin. Messiah was the Perfect man. The bible does speak about perfect faith which is basically faith that bares fruit (walking in covenant). This is how Abraham was justified (by Grace through Faith). We can discern that someone who is committing abominations is Not in covenant and one who embraces hibitual sin is not in covenant. Yet as the verse stated above If (when) you stray (fall short) you have need of Teshuva (repentance / to return). For we are told "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin" & "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
One lead of the spirit is immediately drawn to Teshuva whenever they acknowledge that they have transgressed (Heb.6). One who goes out to transgress (knowing its a transgression) obviously isnt in covenant. My perfection isnt based on me attempting to justify myself by the law (Gal.2:16; 5:4). I Love Torah Because it is life and the ways of righteousness. Its the knowledge of sin (Rom.3:20/ Gal.3:24) and thus draws me to embrace the straight path (not because it makes me perfect). The Almighty is the one who justifies me according to His righteous standard which involves Atonement. And it is said that the overcomers are those who keep the commandments of G-d and have the testimony of Yeshua (Jesus) Rev.14:12; 12:17 (thus im not UNDER the Penalty of the Law as long as I have atonement and dont strive against my creator) If you Embrace a sin without repentance (rejecting atonement/ rejecting G-d) then you are under the wage for the sin. When G-d forgives you of a sin he doesnt remember it anymore and doesnt want u to raising it back up to him or to return to it. (Is.43:25/ Heb.8:12; 10:17/ 1 Jn.1:9/ 2 Pet. 3:9/ Ps.51 !)...... If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.... The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. ......... So I know its possible for me to go through the day without sinning but that isnt gonna justify me for all have sinned rather its by His perfection that i may be counted justified/ Thats why its called GRACE- unmrited, undeserving favor. So if i go around saying I dont sin Im perfect I am righteous and by My works am I established then I would be outside of Grace and one mentioned in 1 Jn1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.... Now "go and sin no more" http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/.../2993852:BlogPost:43377
Are we sin free, are we perfect or do we still sin and if we do does this mean we don't have Jesus?
Please provide all or any scripture.
Me- 1 Jn.2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous
Dave Tremblay Will Hindsman, so you believe you no longer sin, you are perfect?
Me At least you put a question mark following your assertion! I simpley quoted John would you have given him the same responce? The only way one fulfills Torah is by AtonementS provided by G-D himself. People lead of the spirit find no pleasure in sin and the gospel is in no way a license to sin. Messiah was the Perfect man. The bible does speak about perfect faith which is basically faith that bares fruit (walking in covenant). This is how Abraham was justified (by Grace through Faith). We can discern that someone who is committing abominations is Not in covenant and one who embraces hibitual sin is not in covenant. Yet as the verse stated above If (when) you stray (fall short) you have need of Teshuva (repentance / to return). For we are told "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin" & "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
One lead of the spirit is immediately drawn to Teshuva whenever they acknowledge that they have transgressed (Heb.6). One who goes out to transgress (knowing its a transgression) obviously isnt in covenant. My perfection isnt based on me attempting to justify myself by the law (Gal.2:16; 5:4). I Love Torah Because it is life and the ways of righteousness. Its the knowledge of sin (Rom.3:20/ Gal.3:24) and thus draws me to embrace the straight path (not because it makes me perfect). The Almighty is the one who justifies me according to His righteous standard which involves Atonement. And it is said that the overcomers are those who keep the commandments of G-d and have the testimony of Yeshua (Jesus) Rev.14:12; 12:17 (thus im not UNDER the Penalty of the Law as long as I have atonement and dont strive against my creator) If you Embrace a sin without repentance (rejecting atonement/ rejecting G-d) then you are under the wage for the sin. When G-d forgives you of a sin he doesnt remember it anymore and doesnt want u to raising it back up to him or to return to it. (Is.43:25/ Heb.8:12; 10:17/ 1 Jn.1:9/ 2 Pet. 3:9/ Ps.51 !)...... If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.... The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. ......... So I know its possible for me to go through the day without sinning but that isnt gonna justify me for all have sinned rather its by His perfection that i may be counted justified/ Thats why its called GRACE- unmrited, undeserving favor. So if i go around saying I dont sin Im perfect I am righteous and by My works am I established then I would be outside of Grace and one mentioned in 1 Jn1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.... Now "go and sin no more" http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/.../2993852:BlogPost:43377
Thursday, October 3, 2013
muslim heaven LD
I find islamic heaven to be materialistic, prideful, and Ignorant of the concept of a Spiritual kingdom. Feel free to reply or share your thoughts!
Islamic "paradise" (heaven) is a picture made to appeal to those men of the area of Suadi Arabia (as well as poverty stricken people) by promising things they didnt have yet would have admired (just another method of muhammad recruiting terrorists for his army and personal followers). Its discription is based on CARNAL Lusts and sounds like a desert mans Wishlist. Flesh cant inherite the kingdom of G-d so unless muhammad went extremely metaphoric in his discription I'm simpley Not Interested in his "paradise". Keep in mind that a desert is extremly hot in the day and cold at night and not a fruitful location. So how does muhammad describe his (make believe) paradise?
Muslims are told (Surah 56:10-40) that in heaven they will be given silk clothing :), nice furniture :), no extreme hot or cold :D, they will be given shade, trees will bring fruits to them, silver cups, WISHES granted to you :D (just in case muhammds wish list doesnt appeal to u!), and lets dont forget the many boy servants that dont age and dont bleed. What will i possiblly need all these boy servants for? Rivers (Surah 44:51-53) of milk, honey and great tasting wine (now drinking wine is all good). This heaven is all about you and your carnal based lusts, Not G-d. We have all heard of the 72 house with the 72 beds with the 72 virgins (thats alot of virgins). Sorry to break it to caranl muslims but heaven isnt a place for Sex. Its much greater than Sex and all that enter in shall be One, we wont need servant boys or virgins.
NOTICE: your will is the Focuss- not God's will
Continuation
Wine, 300 young boys (slaves/servants) :( keep in mind that muhammad sucked the tongue of a young boy so whats behind this reward??? BTW these boys have everlasting youth :( Keep in mind Muhammad had a thing for kids Example- Aisha. Not only that but the boys are said to look as pearls, Why so cute??? BOYS? If you are into pretty boys this is the cult for you!
"And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls." (Quran 52:24)..
56:17 There wait on them immortal youths,..
THE MATH
72 mansions with 72 homes with 72 sheets on 72 beds with 72 virgins that never lose their virginity. Mohammed said, “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed).” (Al Bukhari vol. 1:35.)
72 x72= 5184 x 72= 373248 x 72= 26,873,856 Virgins !!! - This is the number that most scolars agree on according to the math, yet it is more common place to say you will have sex with 72 virgins at a time. Giving unspiritual people the claim they will get 26,873,856 virgins when they go to hell if they fight for you is just good buisness. Welcome to the ideology of muslim jihad!
In islam woman are a pocession. Look at how islam encouraged slavery. When it comes to witnesses, it takes 2 women to equal one man. 2 Men are needed to be a witness. Without men it takes 4 women, with one man it takes 2 women.(al-Nisa’ 4:34/ Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/490 / al-Baqarah 2:282)
Women arent equal in islam.
Al Bukhari
Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Vol. 3:826
Mohammed said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124
Mohammed said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." Vol. 7:33
Mohammed said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed). " Vol. 1:35
Athiest getting a kick out of muslim discription of life after death (the grave)!
http://youtu.be/9vr7UBLUKSk too funny
Islamic "paradise" (heaven) is a picture made to appeal to those men of the area of Suadi Arabia (as well as poverty stricken people) by promising things they didnt have yet would have admired (just another method of muhammad recruiting terrorists for his army and personal followers). Its discription is based on CARNAL Lusts and sounds like a desert mans Wishlist. Flesh cant inherite the kingdom of G-d so unless muhammad went extremely metaphoric in his discription I'm simpley Not Interested in his "paradise". Keep in mind that a desert is extremly hot in the day and cold at night and not a fruitful location. So how does muhammad describe his (make believe) paradise?
Muslims are told (Surah 56:10-40) that in heaven they will be given silk clothing :), nice furniture :), no extreme hot or cold :D, they will be given shade, trees will bring fruits to them, silver cups, WISHES granted to you :D (just in case muhammds wish list doesnt appeal to u!), and lets dont forget the many boy servants that dont age and dont bleed. What will i possiblly need all these boy servants for? Rivers (Surah 44:51-53) of milk, honey and great tasting wine (now drinking wine is all good). This heaven is all about you and your carnal based lusts, Not G-d. We have all heard of the 72 house with the 72 beds with the 72 virgins (thats alot of virgins). Sorry to break it to caranl muslims but heaven isnt a place for Sex. Its much greater than Sex and all that enter in shall be One, we wont need servant boys or virgins.
NOTICE: your will is the Focuss- not God's will
Continuation
Wine, 300 young boys (slaves/servants) :( keep in mind that muhammad sucked the tongue of a young boy so whats behind this reward??? BTW these boys have everlasting youth :( Keep in mind Muhammad had a thing for kids Example- Aisha. Not only that but the boys are said to look as pearls, Why so cute??? BOYS? If you are into pretty boys this is the cult for you!
"And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls." (Quran 52:24)..
56:17 There wait on them immortal youths,..
THE MATH
72 mansions with 72 homes with 72 sheets on 72 beds with 72 virgins that never lose their virginity. Mohammed said, “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed).” (Al Bukhari vol. 1:35.)
72 x72= 5184 x 72= 373248 x 72= 26,873,856 Virgins !!! - This is the number that most scolars agree on according to the math, yet it is more common place to say you will have sex with 72 virgins at a time. Giving unspiritual people the claim they will get 26,873,856 virgins when they go to hell if they fight for you is just good buisness. Welcome to the ideology of muslim jihad!
In islam woman are a pocession. Look at how islam encouraged slavery. When it comes to witnesses, it takes 2 women to equal one man. 2 Men are needed to be a witness. Without men it takes 4 women, with one man it takes 2 women.(al-Nisa’ 4:34/ Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/490 / al-Baqarah 2:282)
Women arent equal in islam.
Al Bukhari
Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Vol. 3:826
Mohammed said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124
Mohammed said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." Vol. 7:33
Mohammed said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed). " Vol. 1:35
Athiest getting a kick out of muslim discription of life after death (the grave)!
http://youtu.be/9vr7UBLUKSk too funny
TAQIYYA (deception islam) LD
Shia muslims believe those who dont practice taqiyya (decite) dont have faith.
islam claims the shield of allah is Taqiyya (deception) thus use lies for protection.
>* Jn.8:44 *< *Satan is the father of lies
Eph.4:25
According to quran islamic god (allah) is the best deciever.
(On page 247), Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good." Reasons in the Hadith (emphasized by mohammed-)
1) For reconciliation among people. (Prov.9:8 / Ecc.7:5 / Lk.17:3)
2) In war.
3) Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family. (What other occassions are there???)
Justifications/ principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. 1)War is deception. 2)The necessities justify the forbidden.
General standard) If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two. "justify the forbidden"
This is the Pride of SATAN. Wisemen seek edification but fools dispise correction- (Prov.12:26 / Prov.3:5;1:5), Also in Christianity we have a thing we call discernment we don't seek to decieve and influtrate the enemy nor do we spread our faith by force. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." - 9th COMMANDMENT (8th if your catholic or lutheran)/ Ex.20:16/ Deut.5:20
_Ok 4 muslim to deny allah__ Sura 16:106 says a muslim can even deny "allah" to deceive non muslims, but an infidel will pay a price for the same.
"Any one who, after accepting faith in allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty."
Obama openly claimed his Muslim belief as a young man and spoke the shahadah (oath of a muslim). The only standard of being considered muslim!! Under the concept of Takeyya (al-Taqiyya literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies" ) if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable: 1) Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan. 2) Renounce belief in Allah. 3) Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah. 4) Utter insincere oaths. (3:28 / 28:5 / 9:29/ 5:98/ 16:106/) - such as the oath obama took for office!
Sura 3:28 The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. To GOD is the ultimate destiny.
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The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:
Thus, the quran unashamedly calls muhammad’s god the best liar and deceiver of them all! It even dares to say that ALL deception belongs completely to allah:
And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is allah's (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. allah best deciever Sura. 13:42 (3:54/8:30/* 7:99/ 27:50)
Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99
Makra- clearly means fraud, deception
Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.
Example Suras:
perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45, 71:22
impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127, 27:70, 35:10
n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46, 14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30
Some muslims like to translate it as "plot" instead of "decieve" but these verses clearly show deception. It cant be disguised with a more politically correct translation.
In fact, the Quran states that Allah actually raises wicked individuals to deceive and scheme:
Even so have we placed in every city, ringleaders of its wicked ones, to scheme therein (liyamkuroo): but only against themselves shall they scheme (yamkuroona)! and they know it not. S. 6:123
And further commands people to do evil so that he can then have a reason to destroy them!
S. 17:16
__muslims attempt to lie to you on the subject___
Muslims are told allah is the best deciever/ (Abrogated) contridiction:The Quran says: "Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies." Surah 40:28. In the Hadith, Mohammed was also quoted as saying, "Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell."
Surah 5:89 / Surah 2:225 / 3:28 lies can be used for the final goal is to Allah. Same area says you are not to be friends with Jews or Christians and still be in good standing with "Allah" yet it says to tell them you are their friend to guard yourself against them. Muslims are told to lie for the good of islam. Islam cant be of God if Christianity and Judaism are.
Heb.13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
____Deciet will never be a Christian tactic_____
Matt.10:14 / Proverbs 12:26 / Proverbs 13:1
2 Jn.1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Christians dont lie to get others to accept them as Christians. Christians dont lie to gain converts. Christians know you cant force others to embrace The true God. (The Crusaders were protecting themselves and others seeing as Romans were in the area and muslims came against them and vowed to kill those who wouldnt accept islam.) Christians have war stratigies, but do not see lies as a Christian trait. Lies are a trait of the great deciever Satan. Those who embrace such are showing fruits of the enemy of the Holy Spirit (truth).
http://youtu.be/e4-iDP4gyho
http://youtu.be/CvlvS2a2AVE
http://youtu.be/zfPbz9mQ5fw
allah leads people astray (Sura 6:39,126) he doesnt help those he leads astray (30:29) uses these people to populate hell (32:13).
James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
YHVH encourages his sheep to aquire knowledge, and use their heads.
- Is.1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:"
- 1 cor.2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
- Joshua 1:8
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success
We feed our spirits with truth (The Word) and lean not unto our own understanding, Christians dont just follow self proclaimed prophets blindly, we discern fruits and compare mans words to those of YHVH to see if the stand up.
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Allah says not to ask questions. (Surah 5:101-102)
"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. but if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, God will forgive those: for God is oft-forgiving, most Merciful.. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Real muslims are to have no respect for (hate) Christians:
- Sura 3:28 The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. To GOD is the ultimate destiny.
- Surah 5:51 O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
- Sura 6:1 Praise be to Allah, Who hath created the heavens and the earth, and hath appointed darkness and light. Yet those who disbelieve ascribe rivals unto their Lord.
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