Resting place of Prophets Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi. Located on the side of the mount of olives in the Kidron Valley.
The complex has been used throughout history to entomb prophets, priests, and later even Christians
Sunday, December 15, 2013
Tomb of prophets (BH)
Resting place of Prophets Haggai, Zechariah and Malachi. Located on the side of the mount of olives in the Kidron Valley.
The complex has been used throughout history to entomb prophets, priests, and later even Christians
Wednesday, December 11, 2013
solar?
Some that are members here are interested in Solar Hebrew calendars. This thread is for such members. * Col. 2:16-17/ * Rom.14:5-6
I personally can't support an idea that the biblical calendar was strictly solar so while this post once consisted of a solar converter for such people I have deleted such. I will let those who follow such figure out their own observances.
Sundial from Herold's temple. Thought to have been used by priests to determin certain times of priestly duties
Feel free to checkout the group on Biblical artifacts!
Enoch's pillar documents 3 different calendars, which would lead one to believe each has its own purpose and use. The scriptures use both lunar (monthly) and solar (daily/yearly) calculations and so do I.
Some say Hebrew calendars are not exact from year to year in comparision to how solar calendars work. Yet the biblical use of a Hebrew calendar Would keep the same standards throughout time thus the observances would fall at the same time every year according to the cycle. Modern Solar calendars on the other hand have exactly 365 1/4 days (leap days included), yet science shows slight variations in the length of the year and the day. Throughout time this would be slightly more significant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year
The fact is the Hebrew calendar is NOT a strictly "lunar calendar". More on that HERE.
The Hebrew calendar is both solar and lunar combined according to the calendar but when compared to western calendars that are strictly solar which would ignore the verses where the lunar is mentioned in observances (Rosh Hodesh). ANYWAY, i think we all know people set aside different times to Praise The LORD and that we arent to judge them for they Priase the LORD.
___________________________
1 Ths. 5:5/ Ex.12:2 (spring equinox considered with the beginning of a solar year /and Passover/ and first month of Jewish calendar)
The solar calendar allows annual celebrations to the day, even the SELFSAME DAY. Ex.12:17 / Ex.12:41/ Ex.12:51/ (Moons /months are considered moons and figured through lunar calendars) Yet as for days and years solar calendars are used.
Again enoch's pillar records Solar and Lunar for a reason. There is a reason for both example:
A lunar calendar has 29.530587 days and odd number, you cant equally divide that by seven to locate a sabbath day. Days and years - Solar// months- moons
Signs in the Heavens
http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/group/historyastronomyastrology/foru...
Gen.1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.
Seasons- festivals
(Jer.10:2) These signs relay info yet the heathens have been known to worship the signs themselves rather than the message.
(For more on the Biblical use of the heavens for time click HERE)
1 Thess.5:5 Ye are all the children of light and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
__________________________
The "Jewish calendar" is not spacifically lunar or solar but rather a combination of the two. Enoch's pillar documents 3 ways to calculate a calendar as well. (suggested blogs)
The sun is used to determin years and days (Solar)/ the moon is used to determine months (Lunar). The relation of these two determine seasons on the earth as well as hours of sun and darkness.
(Ps.104:19/ Gen.18:22/ Joel 2:31/...) Eclipses of these are mentioned as a Solar Eclipse -“the sun turns to darkness” /and a Lunar Eclipse- “the moon turns to blood” - Lunar Eclipse.
The bible mentions names of the Hebrew months yet the details of how the biblical calendar works are within the scriptures themselves, of which knowledge is debated within tradtional circles. The purpose of the Hebrew calendar was for set aside days, planting and harvest of crops, and so forth.
The High Priest would start the calendar when he noted the equinox. (There is no mention of a 13th month 1 Kings 7:4) A 13th month was(is) a rabbinical way of calculating a leap year which threw (throws) out the rule of thumb in God's Word.
Example:
Passover is to start on the 1st month of the year (Nisan) 14 days after Spring equinox (new moon).
Lev.23:5 while this verse mentions months(moons), we also know that the month is the first one of the year (solar). The precise way to determine the 1st of the year depends on solar (spring equinox) observance Not Lunar yet the first of the month is based on the moon. So the question arises from where do we start to count 14 days(solar) off to approach Pesach. So how do we relate the solar
9days and years) to the lunar (months) without making it all lunar or solar? Strict solar observances count 14 days from spring equinox. Lunar counts 14 nights from the new moon. But how do we count 14 days from both the spring equinox and the new moon (Rosh Codesh/1st sliver of moon)? This causes alot of debate. While the "Jewish calendar" (which Is both lunar and solar) has two "new years" per say, is it based on biblical interpretation and precise? (open for discussion)
A Equinox occurs twice a year (Spiring and Fall). This occurs when the sun crosses the equator. The sun rises at a spacific location at these two times every year. Therefore this type knowledge would be used to mark such a date. The seasons are divided into 4 groups of 3 (months). The sun rotates to heating either the northern or southern hemispheres more, it changes at the spring and fall equinox. At this time there are equal hours of day light and night on that given day. Pesach is the first appointed time(Moed).
Gen.3:24 Man was seperated from the garden towards the east. To return he would come from the east. The Tribe of Judah (King line) was placed east of the temple during the times of the tabernacle in the wilderness (Num.2:3). Mashiach was born in the territory of Judah. Christ entered through the east gate to be inspected of blemish prior to the crusifixtion. When Mashiach returns he will do so upon The Mount of Olives to the east and from there go towards the temple mount (Zech.14:4). The wisemen that came to confirm the message within the stars of The King came from the east.
Should we gather that God was capable of astronomically placing the temple and thus the tribes in precise directions? Josh. 4:19 encamped east of Jericho on The First Month. The temple faced the east. Can we gather that YHVH originally set the Temple in such a way as to determine the equinox?
Could the east gate have been a door way to see the rising Sun at the time of the equinox? Many Scholars say Yes!
On the equinox:
"As the sun rises in the east over the Mount of Olives, the sun would be seen in the arch way of the east gate from the door of the Temple or the sun would be viewed over the top of the gate. The High priest could then determine the equinox and the starting of the calendar and seasons for the festivals as the sun would shine through the east gate and light the door of the Temple of God."- Oscar J. Terrazas
Eze.43:1,2 Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: 2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
Eze.46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
On set aside days the door was to be opened. conformation of these set aside times was done through the observation of the heavens. Some of these depended on new moon/ months (lunar) observances and others solar (days and years). (Today one Hillel is considered the father of the "jewish" and or "Hebrew calender" in rabbinical circles)
The Talmud states: “The Rabbis taught: Anyone seeing the Sun at its turning point should say “Blessed is He who made the Creation”. This is showing obvious attention to the equinox.
This is that form of Pesach Yeshua was telling the disciples that he would partake with them in the kingdom. It's his fruits (Word) returning unto him through us (not void). They that sacrifice is us in our love for YHVH (dying of self). This is why there is no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord! (Canaanite representing the heathan in the promised land/ kingdom). We will no longer be effected by evil/ the uncircumcised.
Yeshua left us with a way to relate to the physical sacrifice in a Spiritual sense (Lk.22:19-20/ 1 Cor.11:23,24,25/ again Matt 26:29 no longer in remembrance after 7th trumpet (Col.2:17). The reason Yeshua is partaking of the cup (of acceptance) at this time is to observe our Fruits of The Vine. Selah
As for Eze.40-48 It is written in relation to the temple of old as well as the Lord's Day. Those of us that relate Eze.40-48 to the Lord's Day have to do so indirectly. This perhaps helps us in understanding other areas in which seemingly physical sacrifices are in refferance to areas of which we are in the Spirit (during the Lord's Day)./ (Eze.43:20,26; 45:15,17,20)
I personally can't support an idea that the biblical calendar was strictly solar so while this post once consisted of a solar converter for such people I have deleted such. I will let those who follow such figure out their own observances.
Enoch's pillar documents 3 different calendars, which would lead one to believe each has its own purpose and use. The scriptures use both lunar (monthly) and solar (daily/yearly) calculations and so do I.
Some say Hebrew calendars are not exact from year to year in comparision to how solar calendars work. Yet the biblical use of a Hebrew calendar Would keep the same standards throughout time thus the observances would fall at the same time every year according to the cycle. Modern Solar calendars on the other hand have exactly 365 1/4 days (leap days included), yet science shows slight variations in the length of the year and the day. Throughout time this would be slightly more significant. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Year
The fact is the Hebrew calendar is NOT a strictly "lunar calendar". More on that HERE.
The Hebrew calendar is both solar and lunar combined according to the calendar but when compared to western calendars that are strictly solar which would ignore the verses where the lunar is mentioned in observances (Rosh Hodesh). ANYWAY, i think we all know people set aside different times to Praise The LORD and that we arent to judge them for they Priase the LORD.
___________________________
1 Ths. 5:5/ Ex.12:2 (spring equinox considered with the beginning of a solar year /and Passover/ and first month of Jewish calendar)
The solar calendar allows annual celebrations to the day, even the SELFSAME DAY. Ex.12:17 / Ex.12:41/ Ex.12:51/ (Moons /months are considered moons and figured through lunar calendars) Yet as for days and years solar calendars are used.
Again enoch's pillar records Solar and Lunar for a reason. There is a reason for both example:
A lunar calendar has 29.530587 days and odd number, you cant equally divide that by seven to locate a sabbath day. Days and years - Solar// months- moons
Signs in the Heavens
http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/group/historyastronomyastrology/foru...
Gen.1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years.
Seasons- festivals
(Jer.10:2) These signs relay info yet the heathens have been known to worship the signs themselves rather than the message.
(For more on the Biblical use of the heavens for time click HERE)
1 Thess.5:5 Ye are all the children of light and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness.
__________________________
The "Jewish calendar" is not spacifically lunar or solar but rather a combination of the two. Enoch's pillar documents 3 ways to calculate a calendar as well. (suggested blogs)
The sun is used to determin years and days (Solar)/ the moon is used to determine months (Lunar). The relation of these two determine seasons on the earth as well as hours of sun and darkness.
(Ps.104:19/ Gen.18:22/ Joel 2:31/...) Eclipses of these are mentioned as a Solar Eclipse -“the sun turns to darkness” /and a Lunar Eclipse- “the moon turns to blood” - Lunar Eclipse.
The bible mentions names of the Hebrew months yet the details of how the biblical calendar works are within the scriptures themselves, of which knowledge is debated within tradtional circles. The purpose of the Hebrew calendar was for set aside days, planting and harvest of crops, and so forth.
The High Priest would start the calendar when he noted the equinox. (There is no mention of a 13th month 1 Kings 7:4) A 13th month was(is) a rabbinical way of calculating a leap year which threw (throws) out the rule of thumb in God's Word.
Example:
Passover is to start on the 1st month of the year (Nisan) 14 days after Spring equinox (new moon).
Lev.23:5 while this verse mentions months(moons), we also know that the month is the first one of the year (solar). The precise way to determine the 1st of the year depends on solar (spring equinox) observance Not Lunar yet the first of the month is based on the moon. So the question arises from where do we start to count 14 days(solar) off to approach Pesach. So how do we relate the solar
9days and years) to the lunar (months) without making it all lunar or solar? Strict solar observances count 14 days from spring equinox. Lunar counts 14 nights from the new moon. But how do we count 14 days from both the spring equinox and the new moon (Rosh Codesh/1st sliver of moon)? This causes alot of debate. While the "Jewish calendar" (which Is both lunar and solar) has two "new years" per say, is it based on biblical interpretation and precise? (open for discussion)
A Equinox occurs twice a year (Spiring and Fall). This occurs when the sun crosses the equator. The sun rises at a spacific location at these two times every year. Therefore this type knowledge would be used to mark such a date. The seasons are divided into 4 groups of 3 (months). The sun rotates to heating either the northern or southern hemispheres more, it changes at the spring and fall equinox. At this time there are equal hours of day light and night on that given day. Pesach is the first appointed time(Moed).
Gen.3:24 Man was seperated from the garden towards the east. To return he would come from the east. The Tribe of Judah (King line) was placed east of the temple during the times of the tabernacle in the wilderness (Num.2:3). Mashiach was born in the territory of Judah. Christ entered through the east gate to be inspected of blemish prior to the crusifixtion. When Mashiach returns he will do so upon The Mount of Olives to the east and from there go towards the temple mount (Zech.14:4). The wisemen that came to confirm the message within the stars of The King came from the east.
Should we gather that God was capable of astronomically placing the temple and thus the tribes in precise directions? Josh. 4:19 encamped east of Jericho on The First Month. The temple faced the east. Can we gather that YHVH originally set the Temple in such a way as to determine the equinox?
Could the east gate have been a door way to see the rising Sun at the time of the equinox? Many Scholars say Yes!
On the equinox:
"As the sun rises in the east over the Mount of Olives, the sun would be seen in the arch way of the east gate from the door of the Temple or the sun would be viewed over the top of the gate. The High priest could then determine the equinox and the starting of the calendar and seasons for the festivals as the sun would shine through the east gate and light the door of the Temple of God."- Oscar J. Terrazas
Eze.43:1,2 Afterward he brought me to the gate, even the gate that looketh toward the east: 2 And, behold, the glory of the God of Israel came from the way of the east: and his voice was like a noise of many waters: and the earth shined with his glory.
Eze.46:1 Thus saith the Lord GOD; The gate of the inner court that looketh toward the east shall be shut the six working days; but on the sabbath it shall be opened, and in the day of the new moon it shall be opened.
On set aside days the door was to be opened. conformation of these set aside times was done through the observation of the heavens. Some of these depended on new moon/ months (lunar) observances and others solar (days and years). (Today one Hillel is considered the father of the "jewish" and or "Hebrew calender" in rabbinical circles)
The Talmud states: “The Rabbis taught: Anyone seeing the Sun at its turning point should say “Blessed is He who made the Creation”. This is showing obvious attention to the equinox.
This is that form of Pesach Yeshua was telling the disciples that he would partake with them in the kingdom. It's his fruits (Word) returning unto him through us (not void). They that sacrifice is us in our love for YHVH (dying of self). This is why there is no more the Canaanite in the house of the Lord! (Canaanite representing the heathan in the promised land/ kingdom). We will no longer be effected by evil/ the uncircumcised.
Yeshua left us with a way to relate to the physical sacrifice in a Spiritual sense (Lk.22:19-20/ 1 Cor.11:23,24,25/ again Matt 26:29 no longer in remembrance after 7th trumpet (Col.2:17). The reason Yeshua is partaking of the cup (of acceptance) at this time is to observe our Fruits of The Vine. Selah
As for Eze.40-48 It is written in relation to the temple of old as well as the Lord's Day. Those of us that relate Eze.40-48 to the Lord's Day have to do so indirectly. This perhaps helps us in understanding other areas in which seemingly physical sacrifices are in refferance to areas of which we are in the Spirit (during the Lord's Day)./ (Eze.43:20,26; 45:15,17,20)
random perfection discussion
Dave A friend of mine believes she is perfect and no longer sins because of Jesus.
Are we sin free, are we perfect or do we still sin and if we do does this mean we don't have Jesus?
Please provide all or any scripture.
Me- 1 Jn.2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous
Dave Tremblay Will Hindsman, so you believe you no longer sin, you are perfect?
Me At least you put a question mark following your assertion! I simpley quoted John would you have given him the same responce? The only way one fulfills Torah is by AtonementS provided by G-D himself. People lead of the spirit find no pleasure in sin and the gospel is in no way a license to sin. Messiah was the Perfect man. The bible does speak about perfect faith which is basically faith that bares fruit (walking in covenant). This is how Abraham was justified (by Grace through Faith). We can discern that someone who is committing abominations is Not in covenant and one who embraces hibitual sin is not in covenant. Yet as the verse stated above If (when) you stray (fall short) you have need of Teshuva (repentance / to return). For we are told "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin" & "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
One lead of the spirit is immediately drawn to Teshuva whenever they acknowledge that they have transgressed (Heb.6). One who goes out to transgress (knowing its a transgression) obviously isnt in covenant. My perfection isnt based on me attempting to justify myself by the law (Gal.2:16; 5:4). I Love Torah Because it is life and the ways of righteousness. Its the knowledge of sin (Rom.3:20/ Gal.3:24) and thus draws me to embrace the straight path (not because it makes me perfect). The Almighty is the one who justifies me according to His righteous standard which involves Atonement. And it is said that the overcomers are those who keep the commandments of G-d and have the testimony of Yeshua (Jesus) Rev.14:12; 12:17 (thus im not UNDER the Penalty of the Law as long as I have atonement and dont strive against my creator) If you Embrace a sin without repentance (rejecting atonement/ rejecting G-d) then you are under the wage for the sin. When G-d forgives you of a sin he doesnt remember it anymore and doesnt want u to raising it back up to him or to return to it. (Is.43:25/ Heb.8:12; 10:17/ 1 Jn.1:9/ 2 Pet. 3:9/ Ps.51 !)...... If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.... The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. ......... So I know its possible for me to go through the day without sinning but that isnt gonna justify me for all have sinned rather its by His perfection that i may be counted justified/ Thats why its called GRACE- unmrited, undeserving favor. So if i go around saying I dont sin Im perfect I am righteous and by My works am I established then I would be outside of Grace and one mentioned in 1 Jn1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.... Now "go and sin no more" http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/.../2993852:BlogPost:43377
Are we sin free, are we perfect or do we still sin and if we do does this mean we don't have Jesus?
Please provide all or any scripture.
Me- 1 Jn.2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous
Dave Tremblay Will Hindsman, so you believe you no longer sin, you are perfect?
Me At least you put a question mark following your assertion! I simpley quoted John would you have given him the same responce? The only way one fulfills Torah is by AtonementS provided by G-D himself. People lead of the spirit find no pleasure in sin and the gospel is in no way a license to sin. Messiah was the Perfect man. The bible does speak about perfect faith which is basically faith that bares fruit (walking in covenant). This is how Abraham was justified (by Grace through Faith). We can discern that someone who is committing abominations is Not in covenant and one who embraces hibitual sin is not in covenant. Yet as the verse stated above If (when) you stray (fall short) you have need of Teshuva (repentance / to return). For we are told "Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin" & "But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed. Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death."
One lead of the spirit is immediately drawn to Teshuva whenever they acknowledge that they have transgressed (Heb.6). One who goes out to transgress (knowing its a transgression) obviously isnt in covenant. My perfection isnt based on me attempting to justify myself by the law (Gal.2:16; 5:4). I Love Torah Because it is life and the ways of righteousness. Its the knowledge of sin (Rom.3:20/ Gal.3:24) and thus draws me to embrace the straight path (not because it makes me perfect). The Almighty is the one who justifies me according to His righteous standard which involves Atonement. And it is said that the overcomers are those who keep the commandments of G-d and have the testimony of Yeshua (Jesus) Rev.14:12; 12:17 (thus im not UNDER the Penalty of the Law as long as I have atonement and dont strive against my creator) If you Embrace a sin without repentance (rejecting atonement/ rejecting G-d) then you are under the wage for the sin. When G-d forgives you of a sin he doesnt remember it anymore and doesnt want u to raising it back up to him or to return to it. (Is.43:25/ Heb.8:12; 10:17/ 1 Jn.1:9/ 2 Pet. 3:9/ Ps.51 !)...... If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.... The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. ......... So I know its possible for me to go through the day without sinning but that isnt gonna justify me for all have sinned rather its by His perfection that i may be counted justified/ Thats why its called GRACE- unmrited, undeserving favor. So if i go around saying I dont sin Im perfect I am righteous and by My works am I established then I would be outside of Grace and one mentioned in 1 Jn1:8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.... Now "go and sin no more" http://friendsnchrist.ning.com/.../2993852:BlogPost:43377
Thursday, October 3, 2013
muslim heaven LD
I find islamic heaven to be materialistic, prideful, and Ignorant of the concept of a Spiritual kingdom. Feel free to reply or share your thoughts!
Islamic "paradise" (heaven) is a picture made to appeal to those men of the area of Suadi Arabia (as well as poverty stricken people) by promising things they didnt have yet would have admired (just another method of muhammad recruiting terrorists for his army and personal followers). Its discription is based on CARNAL Lusts and sounds like a desert mans Wishlist. Flesh cant inherite the kingdom of G-d so unless muhammad went extremely metaphoric in his discription I'm simpley Not Interested in his "paradise". Keep in mind that a desert is extremly hot in the day and cold at night and not a fruitful location. So how does muhammad describe his (make believe) paradise?
Muslims are told (Surah 56:10-40) that in heaven they will be given silk clothing :), nice furniture :), no extreme hot or cold :D, they will be given shade, trees will bring fruits to them, silver cups, WISHES granted to you :D (just in case muhammds wish list doesnt appeal to u!), and lets dont forget the many boy servants that dont age and dont bleed. What will i possiblly need all these boy servants for? Rivers (Surah 44:51-53) of milk, honey and great tasting wine (now drinking wine is all good). This heaven is all about you and your carnal based lusts, Not G-d. We have all heard of the 72 house with the 72 beds with the 72 virgins (thats alot of virgins). Sorry to break it to caranl muslims but heaven isnt a place for Sex. Its much greater than Sex and all that enter in shall be One, we wont need servant boys or virgins.
NOTICE: your will is the Focuss- not God's will
Continuation
Wine, 300 young boys (slaves/servants) :( keep in mind that muhammad sucked the tongue of a young boy so whats behind this reward??? BTW these boys have everlasting youth :( Keep in mind Muhammad had a thing for kids Example- Aisha. Not only that but the boys are said to look as pearls, Why so cute??? BOYS? If you are into pretty boys this is the cult for you!
"And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls." (Quran 52:24)..
56:17 There wait on them immortal youths,..
THE MATH
72 mansions with 72 homes with 72 sheets on 72 beds with 72 virgins that never lose their virginity. Mohammed said, “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed).” (Al Bukhari vol. 1:35.)
72 x72= 5184 x 72= 373248 x 72= 26,873,856 Virgins !!! - This is the number that most scolars agree on according to the math, yet it is more common place to say you will have sex with 72 virgins at a time. Giving unspiritual people the claim they will get 26,873,856 virgins when they go to hell if they fight for you is just good buisness. Welcome to the ideology of muslim jihad!
In islam woman are a pocession. Look at how islam encouraged slavery. When it comes to witnesses, it takes 2 women to equal one man. 2 Men are needed to be a witness. Without men it takes 4 women, with one man it takes 2 women.(al-Nisa’ 4:34/ Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/490 / al-Baqarah 2:282)
Women arent equal in islam.
Al Bukhari
Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Vol. 3:826
Mohammed said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124
Mohammed said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." Vol. 7:33
Mohammed said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed). " Vol. 1:35
Athiest getting a kick out of muslim discription of life after death (the grave)!
http://youtu.be/9vr7UBLUKSk too funny
Islamic "paradise" (heaven) is a picture made to appeal to those men of the area of Suadi Arabia (as well as poverty stricken people) by promising things they didnt have yet would have admired (just another method of muhammad recruiting terrorists for his army and personal followers). Its discription is based on CARNAL Lusts and sounds like a desert mans Wishlist. Flesh cant inherite the kingdom of G-d so unless muhammad went extremely metaphoric in his discription I'm simpley Not Interested in his "paradise". Keep in mind that a desert is extremly hot in the day and cold at night and not a fruitful location. So how does muhammad describe his (make believe) paradise?
Muslims are told (Surah 56:10-40) that in heaven they will be given silk clothing :), nice furniture :), no extreme hot or cold :D, they will be given shade, trees will bring fruits to them, silver cups, WISHES granted to you :D (just in case muhammds wish list doesnt appeal to u!), and lets dont forget the many boy servants that dont age and dont bleed. What will i possiblly need all these boy servants for? Rivers (Surah 44:51-53) of milk, honey and great tasting wine (now drinking wine is all good). This heaven is all about you and your carnal based lusts, Not G-d. We have all heard of the 72 house with the 72 beds with the 72 virgins (thats alot of virgins). Sorry to break it to caranl muslims but heaven isnt a place for Sex. Its much greater than Sex and all that enter in shall be One, we wont need servant boys or virgins.
NOTICE: your will is the Focuss- not God's will
Continuation
Wine, 300 young boys (slaves/servants) :( keep in mind that muhammad sucked the tongue of a young boy so whats behind this reward??? BTW these boys have everlasting youth :( Keep in mind Muhammad had a thing for kids Example- Aisha. Not only that but the boys are said to look as pearls, Why so cute??? BOYS? If you are into pretty boys this is the cult for you!
"And there shall wait on them [the Muslim men] young boys of their own, as fair as virgin pearls." (Quran 52:24)..
56:17 There wait on them immortal youths,..
THE MATH
72 mansions with 72 homes with 72 sheets on 72 beds with 72 virgins that never lose their virginity. Mohammed said, “The person who participates in (Holy Battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed).” (Al Bukhari vol. 1:35.)
72 x72= 5184 x 72= 373248 x 72= 26,873,856 Virgins !!! - This is the number that most scolars agree on according to the math, yet it is more common place to say you will have sex with 72 virgins at a time. Giving unspiritual people the claim they will get 26,873,856 virgins when they go to hell if they fight for you is just good buisness. Welcome to the ideology of muslim jihad!
In islam woman are a pocession. Look at how islam encouraged slavery. When it comes to witnesses, it takes 2 women to equal one man. 2 Men are needed to be a witness. Without men it takes 4 women, with one man it takes 2 women.(al-Nisa’ 4:34/ Tafseer Ibn Katheer, 1/490 / al-Baqarah 2:282)
Women arent equal in islam.
Al Bukhari
Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Vol. 3:826
Mohammed said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124
Mohammed said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." Vol. 7:33
Mohammed said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah and His Apostle, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to paradise (if he is killed). " Vol. 1:35
Athiest getting a kick out of muslim discription of life after death (the grave)!
http://youtu.be/9vr7UBLUKSk too funny
TAQIYYA (deception islam) LD
Shia muslims believe those who dont practice taqiyya (decite) dont have faith.
islam claims the shield of allah is Taqiyya (deception) thus use lies for protection.
>* Jn.8:44 *< *Satan is the father of lies
Eph.4:25
According to quran islamic god (allah) is the best deciever.
(On page 247), Tabbarah stated: "Lying is not always bad, to be sure; there are times when telling a lie is more profitable and better for the general welfare, and for the settlement of conciliation among people, than telling the truth. To this effect, the Prophet says: 'He is not a false person who (through lies) settles conciliation among people, supports good or says what is good." Reasons in the Hadith (emphasized by mohammed-)
1) For reconciliation among people. (Prov.9:8 / Ecc.7:5 / Lk.17:3)
2) In war.
3) Amongst spouses, to keep peace in the family. (What other occassions are there???)
Justifications/ principles of Islam that will justify lying in situations where they sense the need to do so. 1)War is deception. 2)The necessities justify the forbidden.
General standard) If faced by two evils, choose the lesser of the two. "justify the forbidden"
This is the Pride of SATAN. Wisemen seek edification but fools dispise correction- (Prov.12:26 / Prov.3:5;1:5), Also in Christianity we have a thing we call discernment we don't seek to decieve and influtrate the enemy nor do we spread our faith by force. "You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor." - 9th COMMANDMENT (8th if your catholic or lutheran)/ Ex.20:16/ Deut.5:20
_Ok 4 muslim to deny allah__ Sura 16:106 says a muslim can even deny "allah" to deceive non muslims, but an infidel will pay a price for the same.
"Any one who, after accepting faith in allah, utters Unbelief, except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in Faith - but such as open their breast to Unbelief, on them is Wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful Penalty."
Obama openly claimed his Muslim belief as a young man and spoke the shahadah (oath of a muslim). The only standard of being considered muslim!! Under the concept of Takeyya (al-Taqiyya literally means: "Concealing or disguising one's beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies" ) if under the threat of force, it is legitimate for Muslims to act contrary to their faith. The following actions are acceptable: 1) Drink wine, abandon prayers, and skip fasting during Ramadan. 2) Renounce belief in Allah. 3) Kneel in homage to a deity other than Allah. 4) Utter insincere oaths. (3:28 / 28:5 / 9:29/ 5:98/ 16:106/) - such as the oath obama took for office!
Sura 3:28 The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. To GOD is the ultimate destiny.
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The word for deception/deceiver/scheme is makr. The lexical sources define the term as:
Thus, the quran unashamedly calls muhammad’s god the best liar and deceiver of them all! It even dares to say that ALL deception belongs completely to allah:
And verily, those before them did deceive/scheme (makara), but all deception/scheming is allah's (falillahi al-makru). He knows what every person earns, and the disbelievers will know who gets the good end. allah best deciever Sura. 13:42 (3:54/8:30/* 7:99/ 27:50)
Are they then secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi)? None deemeth himself secure from Allah's deception (makra Allahi) save folk that perish. S. 7:99
Makra- clearly means fraud, deception
Miim-Kaf-Ra = To practice deceit or guile or circumvention, practice evasion or elusion, to plot, to exercise art or craft or cunning, act with policy, practice stratagem.
Example Suras:
perf. act. 3:54, 3:54, 7:123, 13:42, 14:46, 16:26, 16:45, 27:50, 40:45, 71:22
impf. act. 6:123, 6:123, 6:124, 8:30, 8:30, 8:30, 10:21, 12:102, 16:127, 27:70, 35:10
n.vb. 7:99, 7:99, 7:123, 10:21, 10:21, 12:31, 13:33, 13:42, 14:46, 14:46, 14:46, 27:50, 27:50, 27:51, 34:33, 35:10, 35:43, 35:43, 71:22
pcple. act. 3:54, 8:30
Some muslims like to translate it as "plot" instead of "decieve" but these verses clearly show deception. It cant be disguised with a more politically correct translation.
In fact, the Quran states that Allah actually raises wicked individuals to deceive and scheme:
Even so have we placed in every city, ringleaders of its wicked ones, to scheme therein (liyamkuroo): but only against themselves shall they scheme (yamkuroona)! and they know it not. S. 6:123
And further commands people to do evil so that he can then have a reason to destroy them!
S. 17:16
__muslims attempt to lie to you on the subject___
Muslims are told allah is the best deciever/ (Abrogated) contridiction:The Quran says: "Truly Allah guides not one who transgresses and lies." Surah 40:28. In the Hadith, Mohammed was also quoted as saying, "Be honest because honesty leads to goodness, and goodness leads to Paradise. Beware of falsehood because it leads to immorality, and immorality leads to Hell."
Surah 5:89 / Surah 2:225 / 3:28 lies can be used for the final goal is to Allah. Same area says you are not to be friends with Jews or Christians and still be in good standing with "Allah" yet it says to tell them you are their friend to guard yourself against them. Muslims are told to lie for the good of islam. Islam cant be of God if Christianity and Judaism are.
Heb.13:8
Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
____Deciet will never be a Christian tactic_____
Matt.10:14 / Proverbs 12:26 / Proverbs 13:1
2 Jn.1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
Christians dont lie to get others to accept them as Christians. Christians dont lie to gain converts. Christians know you cant force others to embrace The true God. (The Crusaders were protecting themselves and others seeing as Romans were in the area and muslims came against them and vowed to kill those who wouldnt accept islam.) Christians have war stratigies, but do not see lies as a Christian trait. Lies are a trait of the great deciever Satan. Those who embrace such are showing fruits of the enemy of the Holy Spirit (truth).
http://youtu.be/e4-iDP4gyho
http://youtu.be/CvlvS2a2AVE
http://youtu.be/zfPbz9mQ5fw
allah leads people astray (Sura 6:39,126) he doesnt help those he leads astray (30:29) uses these people to populate hell (32:13).
James 1:13
Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
YHVH encourages his sheep to aquire knowledge, and use their heads.
- Is.1:18 "Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD:"
- 1 cor.2:13 Which things also we speak, not in the words which man's wisdom teacheth, but which the Holy Ghost teacheth; comparing spiritual things with spiritual.
- Joshua 1:8
This book of the law shall not depart out of thy mouth; but thou shalt meditate therein day and night, that thou mayest observe to do according to all that is written therein: for then thou shalt make thy way prosperous, and then thou shalt have good success
We feed our spirits with truth (The Word) and lean not unto our own understanding, Christians dont just follow self proclaimed prophets blindly, we discern fruits and compare mans words to those of YHVH to see if the stand up.
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Allah says not to ask questions. (Surah 5:101-102)
"O ye who believe! Ask not questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. but if ye ask about things when the Qur'an is being revealed, they will be made plain to you, God will forgive those: for God is oft-forgiving, most Merciful.. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith."
Real muslims are to have no respect for (hate) Christians:
- Sura 3:28 The believers never ally themselves with the disbelievers, instead of the believers. Whoever does this is exiled from GOD. Exempted are those who are forced to do this to avoid persecution. GOD alerts you that you shall reverence Him alone. To GOD is the ultimate destiny.
- Surah 5:51 O you who believe, do not take certain Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
- Sura 6:1 Praise be to Allah, Who hath created the heavens and the earth, and hath appointed darkness and light. Yet those who disbelieve ascribe rivals unto their Lord.
No taqiyya in islam? Blog by David Wood
can u spot the leaven?
This area is a place where we can use the SWORD (WORD) of the LORD as a weapon to exspose darkness, deception and false teachings!
Bible contradictions??? Many people interested in The WORD have honest questions. Questions often times spark much growth. We are exspected to find where all scriptures agree on a subject, to study for ourselves approved instead of following tradtions, rationalizations and doctrines of men (leaning on our own understandings).
We arent called to entertain fruitless debate. Yet we shouldN'T sit by while those who are interested in the living bread get fed leaven
2 Jn.1:10-11 If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed: For he that biddeth him God speed is partaker of his evil deeds.
2 Tim.2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
2 Tim.2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes.
Prov.17:14 The beginning of strife is as when one letteth out water: therefore leave off contention, before it be meddled with. ("contention"- reeb- a contest (personal or legal): - + adversary, cause, chiding, contend (-tion), controversy, multitude [from the margin], pleading, strife, strive (-ing), suit.)
Phi.2:3 Let nothing be done through strife or vainglory; but in lowliness of mind let each esteem other better than themselves ("vainglory" - kenodoxia- empty glorying, that is, self conceit: - vain-glory.)
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We as believers have all met those who seek to rationalize and justify any and everything within their own minds.
This thread is set aside to help pass along evidence and documentation that can be used in such discussions. I do not suggest fruitless debates but often times we find ourselves in places where there are those who are interested and those who mock The WORD.------------------------------
What is with the moon image at the top of muslim mosques? All prophacy of HaSatan is in months (moons) The Moon is disguised as a source of light just as Satan and his ministers are. The moon only reflects (perverts) light just like quran hijacks names and info from Tanakh, Talmud, Gospels, Gnostics and even hindu sorces and comes up with a new age religion (the ideology of one sick man). The captial of Islam use to be a pagon captial. Islam has always been about going in and destroying civilizations while taking what it will from them and claiming their lands.
Paul spoke on so many layers that many lack enough understanding to see how all these layers are in harmony throughout the Word.
If one has come across any claims of contractions that they want to discuss, Please post them here so we can put the claims to rest together!
Egyptians were given (symbols of) knowledge by Enoch. The latter started to worship the synbols themselves. This is documented in a couple of threads on this site (F.N.C.).
Some like to claim that Christianity branched off from egytian mythology. This short flim will help you to exspose such falsehoods.
The above video shows a list of what they call the 12 tribes yet these are the Territories (inheritance) rather than the Tribes. Thats why you have no mention of the tribe of Levi and have Joseph branched into two with Ephraim and Mannasseh, a common misunderstanding of the tribes. sometimes you get Joseph branched off into two And mention of Levi making 13 other times you get what we see here rather than just the 12 desendants of Israel (Jacob).
There is an 8 part playlist that debunks these claims as well:
1- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuyIxKrw2Yk
2- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNrM9hQg7es
3- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H8dYp5KBl-k
4- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KokBDDQykRM
5- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVg-TAmbIOU
6- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WAHdKD2uX4
7- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dU3FoQPmGBc
8- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qU0mUFE-J7w
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BEWARE OF WHO YOU LET DO YOUR TRANSLATING. Note this video, where one holds up the serpents ways above properly dividing the WORD of The LORD. Can you spot the deception?
WHY does the speaker Assume that what was told 2 Adam was the same exact as what was told 2 eve (Gen.2:16-17/Gen.3:1-5)??? Eve was created LATER (Gen.2:21-23)! and "touch" (naga- 1 layer of context- euphemistically, to lie with a Woman)/ 2 Cor.11:3 beguiled (exapataō - wholly seduce) lean not un2 ur own understanding where do all scriptures agree? Beware who u let do your translating. Serpent called The LORD a liar. They Did die in the same day (2 Pet.3:9) only by the Passover sacrifice (Yeshua) does 1 overcome this spiritually, phy. none live to see the age of 1,000
http://youtu.be/ktBJl8XStds
Also suggest post: Mistranslations
Rule of altering in islam /LD
According to the rule of replacement theology in islam, which mohammad says is the proper way to interprete the Quran (and muslim sources)- islam does promote terror, deception (lies) and so many un-Godly things.
***The text are in video form located in the following three links!
Abrogation- to repeal, annulment, the act of cancelling; calling off some arrangement, the act of making something legally void, recall, the act (by someone having the authority) of annulling something previously done; "the revocation of a law"
1st stage- Submissive
2nd stage- Defensive
3rd stage- Aggresive
Islam is to be learned and taught in these stages. New comers and strangers to islam are first taught the obsolete version of islam. This is a part of the deception (al taqiyya) in islam. Sadly once you take the vow of a muslim (the shahadah) to leave islam is to take on a death sentance according to islamic law. So by the time you graduate to see you have been properly decieved of what islam stands for you have also been preconditioned to acceptance and even commanded not to ask questions:
"O ye who believe! Ask Not Questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102). " Yes they asked about things that they found wrong with islam, and later woke up! In the true Abrahamic Faith questions are encouraged for spiritual GROWTH!(Is.1:18/ Proverbs 25:2/ Deut.29:29/ Jas.1:5/ Ecc.7:25/ Ecc.1:13/ Proverbs 1:7...)!
According to Mohammad when the quran contridicts itself then the later verse abrogates the prior one! This shows those who follow the true (Word) Prophets and Apostels of God that mohammad isNt a prophet of God and that islam is False!
Heb.13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
_____Documentation_________
Muslims pointing to Islamic sources to support terror!
I will use the layout of Nadal Malik Hasan to show the rule of abrogation. Hasan happens to be the one who shot up the U.S. military base where he served (fort hood). Materials were recovered from his computer (office/ and home) that showed communication between him and Anwar al-Awlaki
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf_nNOfU6-M&feature=related - Pt.1
PROGRESSIVE REVELATION
Verses were revealed as situations and events presented themselves.
Hadiths -Sira- Asbab nasool/ aids in context and order (helps to show order).
* RULE OF ABROGATION
Which revelation should we embrace???
Surah 2:106 None of our revelations do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but we substitute something better or simular: Knowest thou not that Allah hath power overall things?
Ah the better one i see (LoL)
Surah 16:101 When we substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what he reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
Obviously muslims were already being mocked for constantly changing their rules, which Mohammad did over and over to appease those around him and himself.
CONCEPT OF COMPLETE SUBMISSION
O you who believe enter into islam completely, whole heartedly - Sura 2:208
muslims are to show complete obediance 9to be a Slave of allah. Islam means submission/ Salam means peace. Muslims cant say well I'm moderate and others are extreme muslims. They are to obey reguardless of what they want even if it means killing themselves and others.
Surah 2:256 "there is no complusion in religion"- Abrogated
Example given by hasan
Abraham-(Gold standard) "was indeed a model", devoutly obedient -Surah 16:120 verily Abraham was without doubt, forbearing- Surah 11:75, allah took him as an intimate friend- Surah 4:125
(Muslim sources use, take away and add to Jewish and Christian Sources)
Examples of the perversion (from Gen.22:8-12) as we continue with Hasans layout:
Sura 37:102
And when he attained to working with him, he said: O my son! surely I have seen in a dream that I should sacrifice you... He said: O my father! do what you are commanded; if Allahplease, you will find me of the patient ones.
37:106
Most surely this is a manifest trial
37:108
And we perpetuated (praise) to him among the later generations
37:109 Peace be on Abraham
110 Thus do we reward the doers of good
111 Surely he was oneof Our believing sevants
* Notice the muslim source differs in the area where Abraham comforted his son be telling him that God would provide a lamb as if the Spirit was speaking through him Gen.22:7-8. Abraham knew God was just and leaned on what he knew to be true. Yet Islam looks at this area in a devilish way. Notice this layout doesnt mention the context of Gen.22:12-13 where Abraham was stopped and a lamb was provided! (Jn.8:44) Notice the context islam is stressing instead?
Sura 2:216 - Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not. (very satanic verse/ you dont have to like the ways of the devil that seem to go against your very hearts just submit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyGoTZPNwRI&feature=related Pt.2
LACK OF SUBMISSION
Sura 2:65 And certainly you have known those among you who exceeded the limits of the Sabbath, so We said to them: Be as apes, despised and hated
Sura 5:60 Say shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribulation from allah? (Worse is he) whom allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom he made apes and swine
Sura 7:166 Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had benn forbidden: We said to them: Be (as) apes dispised and hated.
(personaly i have nothing against apes)
REWARDS
76:12 And their recompense shall be paradice, and silken garments, because they were patient.
76:13 Reclining therein on raised thrones, they will see there neither the excessive heat of the sun, not the excessive bitter cold, 14 And the shade thereof is close upon them, and the branches of fruit thereof will hand low within their reach. 15 and amongst them will be passed round vesselsof silver and cups of crystal
47:15
The discription of paradice which the pious have been promised (is that) in it are rivers of water that taste and smell of which are not changed, rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of clarified honey (clear and pure) therein for them is every kind of fruit, and forgiveness from their Lord...
PUNISHMENT VERSES
8:50 And if you could see when the angels take away the souls of those who disbelieve (at death): they smite their faces and their backs, and saying taste the punishment of blazing fire.
44:43 Verily the tree of Zaqqum 44 will be the food of sinners 45 Like boiling oil it will boil in the bellies, 46 Like the boiling of scalding water 47 (it will be said) Seize him and drag him into the midst of blazing fire 48 Then pour over his head the tourments of boiling water 49 Taste you this verily you were pretending to be the mighty the generous 50 Verily this is that whereof you use to doubt 56 Surely, those who disbelieved in Our ayat (verses, signs ,ect) we shall burn them in fire As often as their skins are roasted through We shall change them for their skins that they may taste the punishment. Truely allah is Ever most powerful, all wise
* EXAMPLE OF JIHAD RULE OF ABROGATION*
* In Mecca Muslims were not permitted to defend themselves (fight). their only job was to deliver the message (Peaceful verses)
* Emigration to Medina:self defense wa allowed
* Then Offensive fighting was allowed
* Later verses abrogated former/ peaceful verses no londer apply
* Indeed at one point Islamic empires spanned from Morocco/ spain to the Border of India/ china
DEFENSIVE VERSES
* permission (to fight) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged: and surely, allah is able to give them victory - Sura 22:39
* those who have been exspelled from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is allah, verily allah will help those who help his (cause). Truely , allah is all strong. all mighty - 22:40
(looks to me like allah needs serious help)
* 60:8 allah forbids you not with reguard to those whofight you for (your) faith nor drive you from your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them:for allah loveth those who are just.
* Fight in the cause of allah those who fight you but do not transgress the limits for allah loveth not transgressors 2:190
* but if they cease, allah is forgiving most merciful 2:192
THE VERSE OF THE SWORD - Notice the order? The former was Abrogated
So when the Sacred months have passed, then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them, and capture them, and lie and wait for them in each and every ambush. but if they repent and perform the Salah, and give the Zakah, then leave their way free. Verily, allahis forgiving and merciful 9:5
(if they become muslims)
Sahih Muslim 1:53 I have been commaned to fight the people until they testify that there is no other deity worthy of worship except allah AND that mohammad is the messenger of allah establish the prayer and pay the Zakah
OFFENSIVE JIHAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9:29 Fight (Kill) those who do not believein allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what allah and his messenger have prohibited, not follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the book, until they pay the taxin acknowledgement of superiority and are in a state of subjection
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued"
(nations and belief systems that are not islamic are open tragets)
33. Allah is He Who sent His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) with guidance and Din (Religion) of Truth to make him (the Messenger) dominant over every (other exponent of) Din (Religion) though much to the dislike of polytheists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHpvJQURkyI Pt.3
OFFENSIVE ISLAM of the future (current state)
Al-Bukhaari 2222 and Sahih muslim 155 tHe messenger of allah said By the one in whose hand is my soul, soon the son of maryam will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah and money will become abundant until no one will accept it
(killing all Jews and Christians)
DIFFERENT PATHS TO HEAVEN
2:62 surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Christiansand the sabians, whoever believes in allah and the last day does good, they all have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve / strong>ABROGATED
3:85 and whosoever desires a religion other than islam it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers
CONCLUSIONS (of Hasan)
* God exspects full loyalty. promises heaven and threatens with hell.
* Muslims may be seen as moderate (compromising) but God isnt. /some muslims may claim to be moderate but islam is not/
* "I love the koran and being a muslim but dont want to live under islamic rule" Hasan is pointing out those muslims who like to pick and choose (apostate)
* Fighting to establish an Islamic state to please god, even by force, is condoned in Islam
* muslim soilders should not serve in any capacity that renders then at risk to hurting/ killing believers unjustly / reaction will vary
RECOMMENDATION (HASAN'S)
Department of defense should allow muslim soilders the option of being released as Conscientious objectors to increase trop morale and dcrease adverse events.
All muslims are Required to wage jihad, both the smaller and greater jihad.
Muhammad's Rule of Abrogation
NOTICE: muslims share Abrogated verses to trick (decieve) unknowledgeable people.
1) First stage was tolerance - that became abrogated by
2) Stratagy of defense- that became abrogated by
3) offensive stratagy. (which is in effect today and known as global jihad)
Notice how many verses are Abregated(no longer apply)!
http://www.thequran.com/Abrogations.aspx?t=2&r=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,...
Abrogation:
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&;...
Qur'an 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
3 Stages of Jihad
(peaceful, Defensive, Agressive)
Orders of revelation In this order of Revelation is how islam is to be learned taught and followed. mature muslims are therefore embracing Aggressive jihad.
http://youtu.be/Ug2XI9U5qXI
***The text are in video form located in the following three links!
Abrogation- to repeal, annulment, the act of cancelling; calling off some arrangement, the act of making something legally void, recall, the act (by someone having the authority) of annulling something previously done; "the revocation of a law"
1st stage- Submissive
2nd stage- Defensive
3rd stage- Aggresive
Islam is to be learned and taught in these stages. New comers and strangers to islam are first taught the obsolete version of islam. This is a part of the deception (al taqiyya) in islam. Sadly once you take the vow of a muslim (the shahadah) to leave islam is to take on a death sentance according to islamic law. So by the time you graduate to see you have been properly decieved of what islam stands for you have also been preconditioned to acceptance and even commanded not to ask questions:
"O ye who believe! Ask Not Questions about things which if made plain to you, may cause you trouble. Some people before you did ask such questions, and on that account lost their faith." (Surah 5:101-102). " Yes they asked about things that they found wrong with islam, and later woke up! In the true Abrahamic Faith questions are encouraged for spiritual GROWTH!(Is.1:18/ Proverbs 25:2/ Deut.29:29/ Jas.1:5/ Ecc.7:25/ Ecc.1:13/ Proverbs 1:7...)!
According to Mohammad when the quran contridicts itself then the later verse abrogates the prior one! This shows those who follow the true (Word) Prophets and Apostels of God that mohammad isNt a prophet of God and that islam is False!
Heb.13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.
_____Documentation_________
Muslims pointing to Islamic sources to support terror!
I will use the layout of Nadal Malik Hasan to show the rule of abrogation. Hasan happens to be the one who shot up the U.S. military base where he served (fort hood). Materials were recovered from his computer (office/ and home) that showed communication between him and Anwar al-Awlaki
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gf_nNOfU6-M&feature=related - Pt.1
PROGRESSIVE REVELATION
Verses were revealed as situations and events presented themselves.
Hadiths -Sira- Asbab nasool/ aids in context and order (helps to show order).
* RULE OF ABROGATION
Which revelation should we embrace???
Surah 2:106 None of our revelations do we abrogate or cause to be forgotten, but we substitute something better or simular: Knowest thou not that Allah hath power overall things?
Ah the better one i see (LoL)
Surah 16:101 When we substitute one revelation for another, and Allah knows best what he reveals (in stages), they say, "Thou art but a forger": but most of them understand not.
Obviously muslims were already being mocked for constantly changing their rules, which Mohammad did over and over to appease those around him and himself.
CONCEPT OF COMPLETE SUBMISSION
O you who believe enter into islam completely, whole heartedly - Sura 2:208
muslims are to show complete obediance 9to be a Slave of allah. Islam means submission/ Salam means peace. Muslims cant say well I'm moderate and others are extreme muslims. They are to obey reguardless of what they want even if it means killing themselves and others.
Surah 2:256 "there is no complusion in religion"- Abrogated
Example given by hasan
Abraham-(Gold standard) "was indeed a model", devoutly obedient -Surah 16:120 verily Abraham was without doubt, forbearing- Surah 11:75, allah took him as an intimate friend- Surah 4:125
(Muslim sources use, take away and add to Jewish and Christian Sources)
Examples of the perversion (from Gen.22:8-12) as we continue with Hasans layout:
Sura 37:102
And when he attained to working with him, he said: O my son! surely I have seen in a dream that I should sacrifice you... He said: O my father! do what you are commanded; if Allahplease, you will find me of the patient ones.
37:106
Most surely this is a manifest trial
37:108
And we perpetuated (praise) to him among the later generations
37:109 Peace be on Abraham
110 Thus do we reward the doers of good
111 Surely he was oneof Our believing sevants
* Notice the muslim source differs in the area where Abraham comforted his son be telling him that God would provide a lamb as if the Spirit was speaking through him Gen.22:7-8. Abraham knew God was just and leaned on what he knew to be true. Yet Islam looks at this area in a devilish way. Notice this layout doesnt mention the context of Gen.22:12-13 where Abraham was stopped and a lamb was provided! (Jn.8:44) Notice the context islam is stressing instead?
Sura 2:216 - Warfare is ordained for you, though it is hateful unto you; but it may happen that ye hate a thing which is good for you, and it may happen that ye love a thing which is bad for you. Allah knoweth, ye know not. (very satanic verse/ you dont have to like the ways of the devil that seem to go against your very hearts just submit)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyGoTZPNwRI&feature=related Pt.2
LACK OF SUBMISSION
Sura 2:65 And certainly you have known those among you who exceeded the limits of the Sabbath, so We said to them: Be as apes, despised and hated
Sura 5:60 Say shall I inform you of (him who is) worse than this in retribulation from allah? (Worse is he) whom allah has cursed and brought His wrath upon, and of whom he made apes and swine
Sura 7:166 Therefore when they revoltingly persisted in what they had benn forbidden: We said to them: Be (as) apes dispised and hated.
(personaly i have nothing against apes)
REWARDS
76:12 And their recompense shall be paradice, and silken garments, because they were patient.
76:13 Reclining therein on raised thrones, they will see there neither the excessive heat of the sun, not the excessive bitter cold, 14 And the shade thereof is close upon them, and the branches of fruit thereof will hand low within their reach. 15 and amongst them will be passed round vesselsof silver and cups of crystal
47:15
The discription of paradice which the pious have been promised (is that) in it are rivers of water that taste and smell of which are not changed, rivers of milk of which the taste never changes, rivers of wine delicious to those who drink, and rivers of clarified honey (clear and pure) therein for them is every kind of fruit, and forgiveness from their Lord...
PUNISHMENT VERSES
8:50 And if you could see when the angels take away the souls of those who disbelieve (at death): they smite their faces and their backs, and saying taste the punishment of blazing fire.
44:43 Verily the tree of Zaqqum 44 will be the food of sinners 45 Like boiling oil it will boil in the bellies, 46 Like the boiling of scalding water 47 (it will be said) Seize him and drag him into the midst of blazing fire 48 Then pour over his head the tourments of boiling water 49 Taste you this verily you were pretending to be the mighty the generous 50 Verily this is that whereof you use to doubt 56 Surely, those who disbelieved in Our ayat (verses, signs ,ect) we shall burn them in fire As often as their skins are roasted through We shall change them for their skins that they may taste the punishment. Truely allah is Ever most powerful, all wise
* EXAMPLE OF JIHAD RULE OF ABROGATION*
* In Mecca Muslims were not permitted to defend themselves (fight). their only job was to deliver the message (Peaceful verses)
* Emigration to Medina:self defense wa allowed
* Then Offensive fighting was allowed
* Later verses abrogated former/ peaceful verses no londer apply
* Indeed at one point Islamic empires spanned from Morocco/ spain to the Border of India/ china
DEFENSIVE VERSES
* permission (to fight) is given to those (believers) who are fought against, because they have been wronged: and surely, allah is able to give them victory - Sura 22:39
* those who have been exspelled from their homes unjustly only because they said: Our Lord is allah, verily allah will help those who help his (cause). Truely , allah is all strong. all mighty - 22:40
(looks to me like allah needs serious help)
* 60:8 allah forbids you not with reguard to those whofight you for (your) faith nor drive you from your homes, from dealing kindly and justly with them:for allah loveth those who are just.
* Fight in the cause of allah those who fight you but do not transgress the limits for allah loveth not transgressors 2:190
* but if they cease, allah is forgiving most merciful 2:192
THE VERSE OF THE SWORD - Notice the order? The former was Abrogated
So when the Sacred months have passed, then fight the Mushrikin wherever you find them, and capture them, and lie and wait for them in each and every ambush. but if they repent and perform the Salah, and give the Zakah, then leave their way free. Verily, allahis forgiving and merciful 9:5
(if they become muslims)
Sahih Muslim 1:53 I have been commaned to fight the people until they testify that there is no other deity worthy of worship except allah AND that mohammad is the messenger of allah establish the prayer and pay the Zakah
OFFENSIVE JIHAD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
9:29 Fight (Kill) those who do not believein allah, nor in the latter day, nor do they prohibit what allah and his messenger have prohibited, not follow the religion of truth, out of those who have been given the book, until they pay the taxin acknowledgement of superiority and are in a state of subjection
"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the Religion of truth, from among the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued"
(nations and belief systems that are not islamic are open tragets)
33. Allah is He Who sent His Messenger (blessings and peace be upon him) with guidance and Din (Religion) of Truth to make him (the Messenger) dominant over every (other exponent of) Din (Religion) though much to the dislike of polytheists.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHpvJQURkyI Pt.3
OFFENSIVE ISLAM of the future (current state)
Al-Bukhaari 2222 and Sahih muslim 155 tHe messenger of allah said By the one in whose hand is my soul, soon the son of maryam will descend among you as a just judge. He will break the cross, kill the pigs and abolish the jizyah and money will become abundant until no one will accept it
(killing all Jews and Christians)
DIFFERENT PATHS TO HEAVEN
2:62 surely those who believe and those who are Jews and the Christiansand the sabians, whoever believes in allah and the last day does good, they all have their reward from their Lord, and there is no fear for them, nor shall they grieve / strong>ABROGATED
3:85 and whosoever desires a religion other than islam it shall not be accepted from him, and in the hereafter he shall be one of the losers
CONCLUSIONS (of Hasan)
* God exspects full loyalty. promises heaven and threatens with hell.
* Muslims may be seen as moderate (compromising) but God isnt. /some muslims may claim to be moderate but islam is not/
* "I love the koran and being a muslim but dont want to live under islamic rule" Hasan is pointing out those muslims who like to pick and choose (apostate)
* Fighting to establish an Islamic state to please god, even by force, is condoned in Islam
* muslim soilders should not serve in any capacity that renders then at risk to hurting/ killing believers unjustly / reaction will vary
RECOMMENDATION (HASAN'S)
Department of defense should allow muslim soilders the option of being released as Conscientious objectors to increase trop morale and dcrease adverse events.
All muslims are Required to wage jihad, both the smaller and greater jihad.
Muhammad's Rule of Abrogation
NOTICE: muslims share Abrogated verses to trick (decieve) unknowledgeable people.
1) First stage was tolerance - that became abrogated by
2) Stratagy of defense- that became abrogated by
3) offensive stratagy. (which is in effect today and known as global jihad)
Notice how many verses are Abregated(no longer apply)!
http://www.thequran.com/Abrogations.aspx?t=2&r=1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,...
Abrogation:
http://www.altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=0&tTafsirNo=73&;...
Qur'an 2:191: And kill them wherever you find them, and drive them out from whence they drove you out, and persecution is severer than slaughter, and do not fight with them at the Sacred Mosque until they fight with you in it, but if they do fight you, then slay them; such is the recompense of the unbelievers.
3 Stages of Jihad
(peaceful, Defensive, Agressive)
Orders of revelation In this order of Revelation is how islam is to be learned taught and followed. mature muslims are therefore embracing Aggressive jihad.
http://youtu.be/Ug2XI9U5qXI
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