son of man beginning

Question presented:
How can Messiah be a Son of Man and first of the Creation?
Short answer:
(*Col.1:15-16) Jn.1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men./ (*Heb.1:1-3)/ Yeshua 's position is at the right hand of Yah. Right hand meaning power and works in relation to creation. Yeshua is also called Adon (Lord as in relation to creation) David even said Adonai said unto Adon sit thou at my right hand until i make thine enemies thy footstool. / To cut to the chase: Yeshua being the right hand of G-D, was present in the "beginning" and thats when creation took place is it not? It was during the 6 days of creation that Man was created! From that creation the will of G-D had already made way for the gospel of which includes that Yeshua would later come through the womb of woman (which came from man) thus making it totally logical that he being in the beginning (in Spirit) also came in the phy. flesh as "son of man" to further fulfill the power and works of HaShem.

Mark of Cain

Short version
(Gen.3:15/ 1 Jn.3:9-12/ Jn.8:44/ Rom.16:17) In Matthew we are told tares are identified at harvest (by their Bad fruits). While we have some effects put on Cain such as Gen.4:12 "When thou tillest the ground, it shall not henceforth yield unto thee her strength; a fugitive and a vagabond shalt thou be in the earth." A Fugitive and vagabond. An outcast cause of his Shem (name and *Character). You can see this in his name and his descendants. His descendants vowed not to drink alcohol (fruit of the vine), plant vineyards, build houses,/ Would remain strangers dwelling in tents. Personally i find all this discriptive of The "Mark" upon Cain. Without getting to much into Kabbalah we see throught the scriptures the mention of orahs. The light ones neshama ruach (Spirit) gives off. This orah is what causes the beasts to know we have been given dominion over the earth. This light became tainted with Cains character. IMV he no longer carried this light and would appear to those who detect this light as the average joe sees a "stranger or vagabond" (Suspicious/ dark/self driven/ wild- carnal). There is another story in the bible that seems to carry this same concept for me............. 2 kings 2 And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.24 And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the Lord. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them............. G-d is LORD over adults and youngsters the same. There were kids in Sodom and Gamorah there were kids in the days of Noah,.... If you understood kabbalah you know that everyone has a orah (light) and animals sense that light. The orah of man is what lets animals know we have dominon over them. However when one is mocking G-d and His actions and his people their orah will reflect their current state which would be carnal based (like animals) thus its perfectly understandable that these youngstas were in a ugly spiritual state thus a bear would see them more as animalistic then man favored of G-d. More like Prey (animals). Thus they were actualy destroyed of themselves. Physical death is not the end when it comes to G-d. G-d may have spared them spiritually (given them more leniency in the afterlife) and used them as a message here. They were insulting G-D and His righteous judgements by insulting Elijah and Elisha and their anointing with this slander directed to the ascension of Elijah and Elisha being his brethern in the faith. Pro.17:12 Let a bear robbed of her whelps meet a man, rather than a fool in his folly./ Judgement is coming to us all and may we not be in folly when our time comes..... Could Cain's orah have been his mark? We know that those on Pentecost had as it appeared flames over their heads.   

day hour

Muslims never ask questions about Christianity/Judaism/ Bible for Answers they only disguise questions to mock while showing utter Ignorance. Truth is, *Men are asking Messiah when will be the day or hour of judgement for man.How can man know the "time"? THey CAN"T and WON'T when this comes and i will show u the simple and logical reason WHY! If you know bible you would understand the ignorance in such a question! While Yeshua responded with the short but sweet answer if you were to compare scriptures on the subject you would know that the basis by which man has Always kept time (biblically, scientifically, & across All cultures) has Always depended on the positions and lights of the bodies of the heavens. If you are knowledgable in science you also know time is relative to distance between 2 objects! The scriptures constantly mention when judgement comes the heavens will cease to give their light so All basis of man being able to tell time will cease. So regardless if you have batteries in a watch the basic standards from which any time piece was created from now ceases to keep this time. So the short but simple answer is there is no way for man to know time relative to man when that TIME comes. There is no way a man can identify the day or hour. DEMONSTRATION: Matt 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: (vs.30=1 Thess.4:16)
Here is your CHERRY PICKED VERSE (Same book and chapter!)
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

(Tanakh/ OT) Is.13:9-10 Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, cruel both with wrath and fierce anger, to lay the land desolate: and he shall destroy the sinners thereof out of it.
10 For the stars of heaven and the constellations thereof shall not give their light: the sun shall be darkened in his going forth, and the moon shall not cause her light to shine....... Gen.1:14 And God said, Let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs, and for seasons, and for days, and years:

Joel 2:31 The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and terrible day of the Lord come. 

Trnchk

Will Hindsman If you were honestly interested in the injeel i would think you could ask the people of the book without first making the agenda of mocking the injeel. Al Haqq is that IF you bothered to READ Matt.5 the contexts is very clear. It begins by Clearly addressing Matt.5:1 "His disciples" and making MINISTRY of the good news of the kingdom THE SUBJECT//.... vs.2 "and taught THEM saying"... vs.3 "thiers is the kingdom of heaven" vs 4 Blessed are They who...vs 5 Blessed are...(describing real life situations and how to handle them) vs 6Blessed are they vs 7 Blessed are they vs 8 Blessed are they vs 9Blessed are they vs 10 "Blessed are they which are *persecuted for righteousness sake" (HMMM looking at Irfan) vs 11 Blessed are ye when men shall revile you and persecute you and shall say all evil manner against you (looking at you Irfan) vs.12 REJOICE for great is your reward in heaven for so they persecuted the prophets which were before you vs 13 We are the salt of the earth but if it looses its savor wherewith shall it be salted (If you loose loving kindness /shalom to your neihbor then how will you ever be given it) Vs.14 Ye are the light of the world A city that is built on a hill can not be hid (and the lesson on ministry if you are able to recieve it will show you that good character towards others something you lack in demonstration will get you a lot futher in sharing in Honest discussion!)vs 16 Let your light shine.... "see your good works and glorify G-d... Its obvious to any logical person that this whole chapter is directed to the disciples on ministry //............... to jump the gun the lesson as you will see if you have an honest heart on the issues you bring up instead of leading a crusade for shaytan will be this.............. If i have a truth and i witness you teaching another doctrine to your community and i come in and immediately confront you with and your doctrine and your disciples with documentation calling you a deciever & strongly condemning you ... should i expect you to respond with Hey This guy may actually have true revelation of G-d Lets Greet him in peace and ask him to share!??? Answer is NO but I shouldn't be suprised IF you slap me in the face No matter where your at tell me this You demonstrated poor social skills and have offend someone and they slap you...... WHAT IS THE LOUDEST RESPONCE you can have? To Turn The Other Check!!!! It Does Even Matter, Say You were in the RIGHT and just honestly sharing the Word (ministry) and someone came up and Attacked You for it???? ...... Still the biggest impact you can have FOR SAKE OF THE MESSAGE and you honestly wanting to draw people to it is... TURN THE OTHER CHECK and acknowledge the situation is that your message is not welcome yet since it was so boldly stated it takes a bigger man to Turn The Other Check. It makes the one who resulted to violence appear to be the unreasonable aggressor. It Also says you have something you believe in Enough to sufer Hardship for it. ANYWAY u cherry picked !!*Matt 5:39*!! so lets jump to this verse on the Subject of Ministry!..////// But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also./ evil being used in the English translation is a major Mis-translation. when one reverts it back they see that this is to say Hardships! Ex. Strong's/# 4190-4192! *The subject of this area of Matt. is ministry (Check for yourself and yet so many pervert this verse)! / Leading up to this verse we also had the issue of disention within a group of believers (social issues) we were even told its a sin to hate the brethern without a cuase and you call a brother an idiot and you will be accountable to the council but if you condemn someone of being hopeless of salvation YOU ARE IN DANGER OF HELL FIRE. Have straight forward responces (well your subject started out as basically spiting in the face of Christians and good morals!!!!!!! with the subject! We are told how to communicate with others according to ministry! We are to soe seed in good ground and not to those with a agenda as yours Irfan and we are not to over load those who do show honest interest! We are to remain humble when doing Dawah! It carries a bigger impact that way. NOTHING ABOUT MATT 5 is claiming that if i come up to you on the street at night with a gun and threaten you and your family that you dont have every right to pull out a bigger gun and blow my head clean off. . . . Peace to those who seek it

^responce To :

Is Christianity practically applicable today?
Do you believe, follow and practice sermons of Jesus pbuh
If someone slap you, what you will do?
Will you love your enemy? - xIrfan Shahx

Study Solomon

Claim: "No one but a direct descendant of David and Solomon through his human biological father can be Messiah (Gen 49:10, Num 1:18, II Samuel 7:12-14, I Chronicles 17:11-14, 22:9-10, 28:4-6; Jeremiah 23:5, 33:17, Jeremiah 22:30,36:30, Psalm 89:35-37)."

Gen.49 "The sceptre shall not depart from Judah, nor a lawgiver from between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering of the people be" Didn't mention Solomon as being the standard

Num.1 " And they assembled all the congregation together on the first day of the second month, and they declared their pedigrees after their families, by the house of their fathers, according to the number of the names, from twenty years old and upward, by their polls.".. No mention of Solomon being the standard

2 Sam. "And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after *thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will 'establish his kingdom' (kun eth mamlakah).

13 He (hu) shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

14 I will be his father, and he shall be my son. If he commit iniquity, I will chasten him with the rod of men, and with the stripes of the children of men..." ............ WHO/What is the "his"? (Eth) whats the "He"? (Hu). Its the zera (seed of David). Its "Eth" kingdom not specific to anything other than the zera of David. Scripture is rather clear that Messiah is to be of Judah and David but never specifically says Solomon you added that and Used these verses to push that standard of Yours. The Standard remains seed of David. Yes Solomon was of the seed of David (and wasnt the only one!). Yes Solomon (being of the seed of David) built a house unto The "LORD" which proved to be temporary and G-d established the Throne of the seed of David which still stands long after the physical temple was destroyed. These simple basics carry over to the next documentation....

1 Chron. "

11 And it shall come to pass, when thy days be expired that thou must go to be with thy fathers, that I will raise up thy seed after thee, which shall be "of thy" sonS; and *I will establish "his" kingdom.

12 He shall build me an house, and I will stablish "his" throne for ever.

13 I will be his father, and he shall be my son: and I will not take my mercy away from him, as I took it from him that was before thee: (David was basically adopted into Royalty (by a prior king/ according as G-D willed it) 

14 But I will settle him in *mine house and in *my kingdom for *ever: and his throne shall be established for *evermore."

This throne stands today That which is of Judah and the seed of David (of which Solomon was a Part of). The house built by the seed of David (Solomon) is no more. The authority thereof remains and the throne remains (for those with spiritual eyes and ears). Yeshua was of Judah Yeshua was of the SEED of David (and Nathan)/ (zera of  the woman). 

* "of thy  sons" (H#4480 & #1121) min- minney- 

For H4482; properly a 'part of; hence (prepositionally), 'from or 'out 'of in many senses: - above, after, *among, at, *because of, *by (reason of), *from (among), in, X neither, X nor, (out) of, over, since, X then, through, X whether, with.... We already established (Know) A king shall be of the seed of  (sons of) David. After David G-D raised up solomon who built the phy temple and reigned as king. 

 Upon Solomon's death, his son, Rehoboam, succeeds him. However, ten of the Tribes of Israel *refuse to accept him as king, *splitting the United Monarchy in the northern Kingdom of Israel under Jeroboam, while Rehoboam continues to reign over the much smaller southern Kingdom of Judah. If one is stuck in carnal thinking this causes an issue as well as the destruction of Solomon's temple in their trying to relate these to a New standard of Solomon. WHERE does Tanakh say if you are of Judah of David but Not Solomon you are not qualified to be king?

continuing through the documentation given with the claim:  1 Chron22

 Behold, a son shall be born to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest from all his enemies round about: for his name shall be Solomon, and I will give peace and quietness unto Israel in his days.

10 He (Solomon seed of David) shall build an house for my name; and 'he shall be my son, and I will be his father; and I will establish the throne of his kingdom over Israel for ever. 

1 Chron.28 

4 Howbeit the Lord God of Israel chose me before all the house of my father to be king over Israel for ever: for he hath chosen Judah to be the ruler; and of the house of Judah, the house of my father; and among the sons of my father he liked me to make me king over all Israel:

5 And of all my sons, (for the Lord hath given me many sons,) he hath chosen Solomon my son to sit upon the throne of the kingdom of the Lord over Israel.

6 And he said unto me, Solomon thy son, he shall build my house and my courts: for I have chosen him to be my son, and I will be his father.

Jer.23 

5 Behold, the days come, saith the Lord, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

 Jer33 

17 For thus saith the Lord; David shall never want a man to sit upon the throne of the house of Israel;

 Jer22 

30 Thus saith the Lord, Write ye this man childless, a man that shall not prosper in his days: for no man of his seed shall prosper, sitting upon the throne of David, and ruling any more in Judah.

 Jer36 

30 Therefore thus saith the Lord of Jehoiakim king of Judah; He shall have none to sit upon the throne of David: and his dead body shall be cast out in the day to the heat, and in the night to the frost.

 Ps.89 

Once have I sworn by my holiness that I will not lie unto David.

36 His seed shall endure for ever, and his throne as the sun before me.

37 It shall be established for ever as the moon, and as a faithful witness in heaven. Selah............

Hmmm 

This a subject I have no conclusions on and open for discussion!