Question presented:
How can Messiah be a Son of Man and first of the Creation?
Short answer:
(*Col.1:15-16) Jn.1:1-3 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.2 The same was in the beginning with God.3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men./ (*Heb.1:1-3)/ Yeshua 's position is at the right hand of Yah. Right hand meaning power and works in relation to creation. Yeshua is also called Adon (Lord as in relation to creation) David even said Adonai said unto Adon sit thou at my right hand until i make thine enemies thy footstool. / To cut to the chase: Yeshua being the right hand of G-D, was present in the "beginning" and thats when creation took place is it not? It was during the 6 days of creation that Man was created! From that creation the will of G-D had already made way for the gospel of which includes that Yeshua would later come through the womb of woman (which came from man) thus making it totally logical that he being in the beginning (in Spirit) also came in the phy. flesh as "son of man" to further fulfill the power and works of HaShem.
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Wednesday, December 7, 2016
Friday, May 15, 2015
Deut.14 money
I was talking with a few "Jews" in "Rabbinic Judaism" and their claim is thatMatt.21:12 Mark 11:15 Luke 19:45, and Jn. 2:14-15 contradict and violate Torah (Deut.14:24-26). That Yeshua was attempting to "reform Torah". That Jews were to exchange money at the temple Yet Yeshua "condemned the practice" boldly by zealously over turning the tables of the the money ex-changers". How are we to compare these verses in context?
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"Matthew: 21:12 moneychangers – The reference is to Money Changers who would exchange various unkosher coins (such as Roman coins) for kosher shekels for the Temple Tax. The practice is mentioned in the Mishna:
On the fifteenth of the same month [Adar]
they set up money changers’ tables in the provinces.
On the twenty-fifth [of Adar] they set them up
in the Temple. …
(m.Shekalim 1:3)
They may have been exchanging Roman coins with pagan images on them (see comments to Lk. 20:22-25) for kosher Temple coins. Also, because of the burden of the journey to the Temple people would convert shekels to darics for the journey and exchange the darics back to shekels upon reaching the Temple (as stated in m.Shek. 2:1).
Yeshua sees them as a robber’s (thieves) den (see Mt. 21:13). This may be because they were taking advantage and not making fair exchanges, or it may be because they were extracting the tax from people annually rather than just once in their lifetime (see comments to Mt. 17:24-27)." /The currency of Israeli Jews went towards tithes and temple finances, to mix it with another currency (and system) was to take away from that which was specifically for Jews and pervert the community as a whole. Mention of these people as thieves (robbers) shows that they were giving unfair exchanges. The people traveled to this location to buy these things at this time each year thus those who had their minds on money knew that their products would sell (Supply and demand), thus they could ask unfair prices (knowing that someone would pay it.
On the fifteenth of the same month [Adar]
they set up money changers’ tables in the provinces.
On the twenty-fifth [of Adar] they set them up
in the Temple. …
(m.Shekalim 1:3)
They may have been exchanging Roman coins with pagan images on them (see comments to Lk. 20:22-25) for kosher Temple coins. Also, because of the burden of the journey to the Temple people would convert shekels to darics for the journey and exchange the darics back to shekels upon reaching the Temple (as stated in m.Shek. 2:1).
Yeshua sees them as a robber’s (thieves) den (see Mt. 21:13). This may be because they were taking advantage and not making fair exchanges, or it may be because they were extracting the tax from people annually rather than just once in their lifetime (see comments to Mt. 17:24-27)." /The currency of Israeli Jews went towards tithes and temple finances, to mix it with another currency (and system) was to take away from that which was specifically for Jews and pervert the community as a whole. Mention of these people as thieves (robbers) shows that they were giving unfair exchanges. The people traveled to this location to buy these things at this time each year thus those who had their minds on money knew that their products would sell (Supply and demand), thus they could ask unfair prices (knowing that someone would pay it.
Pro.20:10 Divers weights, and divers measures, both of them are alike abomination to the LORD. (vs.23; 11:1 A false balance is abomination to the Lord: but a just weight is his delight.; 16:11 A just weight and balance are the Lord's: all the weights of the bag are his work./ see note Companion Bible 3:32, Deut.25:13)
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"A Marginal note in a versified 8th century Bible manuscript known as theAurora of Peter Riga gives a citation on this event from the Goodnews according to the Hebrews:
In the Gospel books which the Nazarenes use we read:
Rays went forth from his eyes,
by which they were frightened and fled.
This is likely the source for a similar comment made by the fourth century “Church Father” Jerome who elsewhere frequently quotes from the Goodnews according to the Hebrews gives the following citation without giving a source:
For a certain fiery and starry light radiated
from his eyes and the majesty of the Godhead
gleamed in his face.
(Jerome; Commentary on Matthew 21:12)
This reminds us of the shining face of Moshe (Ex. 34:29-35) and a similar tradition about Enoch (1Enoch 38:4; 39:14; 2Enoch 69:10-12; 70:2; Jasher 3:20) We read elsewhere about Yeshua’s face shining (Mt. 17:2 = Lk. 9:29)."
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"A Marginal note in a versified 8th century Bible manuscript known as theAurora of Peter Riga gives a citation on this event from the Goodnews according to the Hebrews:
In the Gospel books which the Nazarenes use we read:
Rays went forth from his eyes,
by which they were frightened and fled.
This is likely the source for a similar comment made by the fourth century “Church Father” Jerome who elsewhere frequently quotes from the Goodnews according to the Hebrews gives the following citation without giving a source:
For a certain fiery and starry light radiated
from his eyes and the majesty of the Godhead
gleamed in his face.
(Jerome; Commentary on Matthew 21:12)
This reminds us of the shining face of Moshe (Ex. 34:29-35) and a similar tradition about Enoch (1Enoch 38:4; 39:14; 2Enoch 69:10-12; 70:2; Jasher 3:20) We read elsewhere about Yeshua’s face shining (Mt. 17:2 = Lk. 9:29)."
Tuesday, February 11, 2014
Ruth & Rachab
I recall someone commenting on a woman (or two) that are often accussed of being prostitutes when in fact they are not. Can anyone supply any info on this.
Also i was recently approached with comments about Matt.1:5 where we have Jospeh's line in relation to Mary(Jesus) and the mention of Rechab and Ruth of which the individual claimed both were prostitues. Joshua 2:1 does seem to say that the Rehab of... Joshua 2 is a "harlot". I couldn't get the guy to give me any documentation of ruth being a "prostitute" yet Deut.23:3 says no Moabite shall enter the congregation of The LORD (the companion bible says this is in the masculine here so didnt include (exclude) Ruth and yet the strongs says "Moabite or Moabitess" for H#4125) Ruth 1:4 / Ruth 4:5 (Ruth 2:10)
So Im looking for any info on any of these areas.
1/ If a Moabite wasn't to enter in the congregation of the LORD why is one in Joseph's line?
2/ Who is it that is often accussed of being a prostitute yet it cant be documented biblically?
3/ Is the "Rechab" of Matt 1:5 the "harlot" of Joshua 2:1 if so what purpose does this serve in the legal line of Yeshua?
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I recently looked back into the subject upon responding to someone else asking about Ruth being a moabite. Just wanted to share what i dug up while in the process (Praise YHVH).
The individual asked if the curse(LAW) of Deut 23:3 was removed from Ruth (after claiming Boaz redeemed her).
As for relation to the Law, I don't believe laws are removed but rather fulfilled. In this case the only fulfillment is to institute the standard. However upon comparing scriptures i think modernized interpretion is where the issue is.
Example: Within the scriptures we have 3 uses of the term "Jew". 1) one of the tribe of Judah (PHY. descendants of Judah) Some lump all tribes under this identification when each had their own 2)Geographical: one who dwells in the territory of Judah and when the kingdom was split one who considers Jerusalem the capital & its king the king 3) one of the Faith according to Torah(Word). The same goes with the use of Moab in the scriptures! (Geographical,& OR Physical relation /by blood)
Deut 23:3 say no Moabite in the congregation H#4125 a Moabite or Moabitess, that is, a 1)Descendant from Moab <-individual not location (phy): - (woman) of Moab (geographical anor or phy?), Moabite (-ish, -ss). in relation to a people
Can we apply this to Ruth 1:4? Can we say that Ruth being a "stranger" (Ruth 2:10)means foreigner (geographic loc.) rather than tribal lieniage? H#5237
Matt 1:5 says Ruth is in the Regal/Legal line of Joseph/Jesus.
Ruth 1:4 says Ruth was a woman taken from Moab (geographical location Not from Moab the man or his line) Ruth 4:5 again relates to the land /Geographical sense of the term!
Ruth 1:1-3 we see Elimelech's family (a Jewish Family) in Moab (the Land). I take it you know that according to Rabbinic Judaisim, Jewish identity (of the seed) is through the mother but tribal identification is of the Father. One of the sons of Elimelech took Ruth to wife Ruth 1:4 (still carrying the geographical sense) never said she wasnt of the congregation of the seed or faith of Israel! Boaz ordainied it and he was of relation to Elimelech Ruth 2:1. so IF Moab wasn't used in the geographical sense (which we have clear evidence it was) then Boaz would have been offending Torah as well as Ruths (Jewish) Husband that also dwelled in Moab. (Ruth 4:5/ Ruth 4:9) Boaz called Ruth daughter showing me that she was identified in a phy sense to be related to Israel (Ruth2:8). Ruth 2:11 drives it home for me.
I ask you was Elimelech (a Levite) also a Moabite (of Moab)? ONLY in a geographical sense. The standard of Deut 23:3 never would have applied to Ruth if all this is true .
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Rabbinic commentaries point out that "Moabite" in Deut.23:3 is in the masculine thus not excluding Ruth (IF she be of Moab in any other way than location). However the prior verse stress the females need to be of the descendants of Jacob. Otherwise the seed would still be considered outside of the camp!
The individual asked if the curse(LAW) of Deut 23:3 was removed from Ruth (after claiming Boaz redeemed her).
As for relation to the Law, I don't believe laws are removed but rather fulfilled. In this case the only fulfillment is to institute the standard. However upon comparing scriptures i think modernized interpretion is where the issue is.
Example: Within the scriptures we have 3 uses of the term "Jew". 1) one of the tribe of Judah (PHY. descendants of Judah) Some lump all tribes under this identification when each had their own 2)Geographical: one who dwells in the territory of Judah and when the kingdom was split one who considers Jerusalem the capital & its king the king 3) one of the Faith according to Torah(Word). The same goes with the use of Moab in the scriptures! (Geographical,& OR Physical relation /by blood)
Deut 23:3 say no Moabite in the congregation H#4125 a Moabite or Moabitess, that is, a 1)Descendant from Moab <-individual not location (phy): - (woman) of Moab (geographical anor or phy?), Moabite (-ish, -ss). in relation to a people
Can we apply this to Ruth 1:4? Can we say that Ruth being a "stranger" (Ruth 2:10)means foreigner (geographic loc.) rather than tribal lieniage? H#5237
Matt 1:5 says Ruth is in the Regal/Legal line of Joseph/Jesus.
Ruth 1:4 says Ruth was a woman taken from Moab (geographical location Not from Moab the man or his line) Ruth 4:5 again relates to the land /Geographical sense of the term!
Ruth 1:1-3 we see Elimelech's family (a Jewish Family) in Moab (the Land). I take it you know that according to Rabbinic Judaisim, Jewish identity (of the seed) is through the mother but tribal identification is of the Father. One of the sons of Elimelech took Ruth to wife Ruth 1:4 (still carrying the geographical sense) never said she wasnt of the congregation of the seed or faith of Israel! Boaz ordainied it and he was of relation to Elimelech Ruth 2:1. so IF Moab wasn't used in the geographical sense (which we have clear evidence it was) then Boaz would have been offending Torah as well as Ruths (Jewish) Husband that also dwelled in Moab. (Ruth 4:5/ Ruth 4:9) Boaz called Ruth daughter showing me that she was identified in a phy sense to be related to Israel (Ruth2:8). Ruth 2:11 drives it home for me.
I ask you was Elimelech (a Levite) also a Moabite (of Moab)? ONLY in a geographical sense. The standard of Deut 23:3 never would have applied to Ruth if all this is true .
________
Rabbinic commentaries point out that "Moabite" in Deut.23:3 is in the masculine thus not excluding Ruth (IF she be of Moab in any other way than location). However the prior verse stress the females need to be of the descendants of Jacob. Otherwise the seed would still be considered outside of the camp!
Wednesday, September 25, 2013
Names within the line (BM)
Adam- Man
Seth- Appointed
Enos- Mortal
Cainan- Sorrow
Mahalaleel- The Blessed God
Jared- Shall come down
Enoch- Teaching
Methuselah- His death shall bring
Lamech- The Despairing
Noah- Comfort (rest)
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*Shem (son of Noah) *Ar-phax'-ad *Ca-i-nan *Sa'-la *He'-ber *Pha'-lec *Ra'-gau *Sa'-ruch *Na'-chor *Tha'-ra
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*Known (As) * (The) Healer *Possessor (dwelling)*(Of The) Branches* (In Fellowship)to be joined together, fellowship with* (By) Division (set apart ones)* (Of The) Shepherd (guided by)*(a/THE) branch (Vine)* snort, snore (Oneness Of Breath /Takes In)* Thara is the Greek form of Terah which has unknown meaning and is widely guessed at /Tor- Dove and Ruah (Ruach) meaning breath, wind and or Spirit gives a good clue! (The Holy Spirit/ The Many Membered Body)
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*Abraham (son of Tha'-ra)* Isaac * Jacob- Israel/
* The Father Of Many Nations* Finds Pleasure* In A Relationship with The LORD
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Jacob= Israel/ (12 Sons)
Reuben/ Simeon/ Levi/ Judah/ born of Leah
Dan/ Nathtali/ born of Bilhah
Gad/ Asher/ born of Zilpah
Issacher/ Zebulon/ born of Leah
Joseph (double portion split into Ephraim and Manassah)/ Benjamin/ born of Rachel
Dinah only daughter born of Leah
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From here we can join in Moses's line at Levi which means Join together to see what is found there! *Levi * Kohath * Amram * Moses * Gershom * Shebuel
*Joined together * an assembly, * a glorious people* Drawn from the water * Strangers in a strange land * captives delivered By God
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Below is a video that attempts to track the line from Adam to Christ with meaning of the Hebrew names but it doesnt use Mary's (blood) line (Lk.3) it only uses Joseph's (Matt.1). I will use both and show meanings that the vid lacks.
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This is a quick rough draft, so feel free to contribute points of interest. I will go through the seedline of Both Lk.3 (Mary's side/ Physical blood) and Joseph's Side legal Father Matt.1) covering the areas in which they branch off Lk.3:31... and Matt.1:6....Its evident they used Joseph's line at 5:49 in the video / After David they went to Solomon instead of Nathan.
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Lets pick up where I left off. So I will back up to Judah- son of Jacob and go from there using the outline in the vid until I contribute Mary's line instead of Joseph's and again you will see the difference (from step father Joseph) starting at Nathan. This in no way is ignoring Joseph and his presence but we all know Joseph was NOT the biological Father to Christ but rather was a legal father due to marriage (two legal lines). I just dont want to ignore Marys line and any message found there. (keep in mind this is a rough draft with a few loose ends where i may share a range of options.
Starting from Juda (Son of Jacob) on the vid:
*Judah (son of Jacob) *Pha'-res *Es'-rom *A'-ram *A-min'-a-dab *Na-as'-son *Sal'-mon *Bo'-oz *O-bed *Jesse *David/
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*One who praises The LORD* Breaks open * the enclosure *from on high * of his flock by presenting himself * The WORD of God *clothed of God* (as) Kinsmen Redeemer* who serves (The LORD)* in his office * in LOVE.
_______continueing through Mary's line__ not on vid____
*Given (Nathan son of David)* Hidden* Revelations* (of) acceptance/ relations/ Praise* (of The) God of Raising (Resurrection)* (as a) Dove* adding to / with* The Praise To God / (by) Faith* (to those who/ by) Hearing * Gathered * (by the) gift of Yah* Yah Raised up * A mediator* To Redeem (fulfill* (the) watchful (those who) embrace God (aware)* (from) slumber (death)* (and) devine sentance (oracle/ fee/ reward/divination/ price)* (as a trap snare) or Putting on (ornament/ outfit/ headstall)* Crown (royalty)* (of) Light of Yah (life)* (through) I asked God (confession/ repentance)* From Babylon! (from bable, confusion, darkness)* (from) Yah's curse * (unto) Yah Favors (/GRACE= unmerited undeserving favor!/) * One who Praises Yah* adding to (and recieved)* Famous (acknowledgement/ Favor!/ Glory)* (by the) Gift of Yah* Yah judged (at judgement)* Justly Upright (of the upright)Righteously* (with) Eyes towards YHVH* (with/in) Comfort* (and) Strength* (in the) Gift of Yah* Adding to (Over/by)* To be violent (destruction/ vexation/ wrath/ THE SWORD, rod)* (of the) King* Joined together* Yah will shine (in Yah's Glory)* on high* adding to (with)* SALVATION!
_________all of which comes from the names Nathan- Jesus Lk.3:31-23< as follows___
"*Jesus* Joseph (Mary-Lk.3:23- as was supposed -why? cause Joseph wasN'T the physical father only physical parent was Mary)* Heli (Mary's Dad)* Mat-that* Levi* Mel-chi* Jan-na* Joseph* Mat-ta-thi-as* Amos* Naum* Esli* Nag-ge* Ma-ath* Mat-ta-thi-as* Semei* Joseph* Juda* Jo-an-na* Rhe-sa * Zo-rob-a-bel* Sa-la-thi-el* Ne-ri* Mel- chi* Ad-di* Co-sam* El-mo-dam* Er* Jo-se* E-li-e-zer* Jo-rim * Mat-that * Levi * Simeon* Juda* Joseph* Jo-nan* E-li-a-kim* Me'- le-a * Me-nan* Mat-tatha* Nathan (son of David)/p>___________
Will share Joseph's side as well starting back at David Matt.1:6-16>
*Solomon (son of David) * Roboam * Abia * A-sa * Jos-a-phat * Jo-ram * O-zi'-as * Joatham * A-chaz * Ezekias * Ma-nas'-sas * Amon * Jo-si'-as * Jechonias* Salathiel * Zorobabel * Abiud* Eliakim * Azor * Sadoc * Achim * Eliud * Eleazar * Mat-than* Jacob * Joseph * Yeshua the Christ
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Again:(Starting back from Judah son of Jacob) to get the context Again: *One who praises The LORD* Breaks open * the enclosure *from on high * of his flock by presenting himself * The WORD of God *clothed of God* (as) Kinsmen Redeemer* who serves (The LORD)* in his office * in LOVE)
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*Peaceful (Solomon son of David)* whos people was enlarged * their/His Father is God * (The) Healer * Judge of God*, Exhalts God* (His) Power is (That of) /from/ God*, Given by The Lord* Perfect In The LORD (God is holding)*, Instrument of God * causing change * To turn to the right hand (calling the sheep to repentance)* Born of Yah* Whom the Lord will raise up* (I asked God) For the sake of the people (who asked to)/ mediator* (be free from bable) To Escape Babylon (confussion/ captivity/ bondage/ darkness/ death)* (with the) Father of renown* The God of Raising*, The shield of protection (aid/protection/ help / to secure/ surround)* (of the) Just (elect/ choosen)* (that) The LORD will raise up* The God of majesty/ messiah* God (judge) of mercy* Gives the gift * of Jacob (The kingdom/ Israel/ a relationship with The LORD)* (the) Blessed of God* The Savior Of Yah* The Annointed One
Again: The Bible states Mary's Father is Heli (of Judah) Lk.3.
In the Apocrypha (books: The Protoevangelium of James, The Gospel of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin, and The Book of the Nativity of the Blessed Virgin Mary) her father is called Joachim and her Mother Anne. Joachim used interchangeably with Joakim and Eliakim in 2 Kings 23:34 and 2 Chron.36:4
Over time, it is probable that the name Eliakim was shortened to Eli (Hebrew) or Heli (Greek).
This post is not my way of endorsing all the content found in the Apocrypha. Just thought it maybe of interest to others in study. (layout i chose to exspres this info resembles that of one: "Bob Stanley")
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxGLeux40RQ .
Documentation of Christ being of Both the Tribe of Levi and Juda as well as dates of his birth and conception check This Blog
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I suggest the above context more than just absorbing this video!
Still I will share this vid and encourage any to (study for themselves and to) contribute to the thread!
http://youtu.be/UxGLeux40RQ
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http://youtu.be/tZcDROMheFw Someone elses study on Matt.1 (legal line /Joseph's). (Lk.3 physical line through Mary)
Ruth & Rechab? (BM)
recall someone commenting on a woman (or two) that are often accussed of being prostitutes when in fact they are not. Can anyone supply any info on this.
Also i was recently approached with comments about Matt.1:5 where we have Jospeh's line in relation to Mary(Jesus) and the mention of Rechab and Ruth of which the individual claimed both were prostitues. Joshua 2:1 does seem to say that the Rehab of... Joshua 2 is a "harlot". I couldn't get the guy to give me any documentation of ruth being a "prostitute" yet Deut.23:3 says no Moabite shall enter the congregation of The LORD (the companion bible says this is in the masculine here so didnt include (exclude) Ruth and yet the strongs says "Moabite or Moabitess" for H#4125) Ruth 1:4 / Ruth 4:5 (Ruth 2:10)
So Im looking for any info on any of these areas.
1/ If a Moabite wasn't to enter in the congregation of the LORD why is one in Joseph's line?
2/ Who is it that is often accussed of being a prostitute yet it cant be documented biblically?
3/ Is the "Rechab" of Matt 1:5 the "harlot" of Joshua 2:1 if so what purpose does this serve in the legal line of Yeshua?
I recently looked back into the subject upon responding to someone else asking about Ruth being a moabite. Just wanted to share what i dug up while in the process (Praise YHVH).
The individual asked if the curse(LAW) of Deut 23:3 was removed from Ruth (after claiming Boaz redeemed her).
As for relation to the Law, I don't believe laws are removed but rather fulfilled. In this case the only fulfillment is to institute the standard. However upon comparing scriptures i think modernized interpretion is where the issue is.
Example: Within the scriptures we have 3 uses of the term "Jew". 1) one of the tribe of Judah (PHY. descendants of Judah) Some lump all tribes under this identification when each had their own 2)Geographical: one who dwells in the territory of Judah and when the kingdom was split one who considers Jerusalem the capital & its king the king 3) one of the Faith according to Torah(Word). The same goes with the use of Moab in the scriptures! (Geographical,& OR Physical relation /by blood)
Deut 23:3 say no Moabite in the congregation H#4125 a Moabite or Moabitess, that is, a 1)Descendant from Moab <-individual not location (phy): - (woman) of Moab (geographical anor or phy?), Moabite (-ish, -ss). in relation to a people
Can we apply this to Ruth 1:4? Can we say that Ruth being a "stranger" (Ruth 2:10)means foreigner (geographic loc.) rather than tribal lieniage? H#5237
Matt 1:5 says Ruth is in the Regal/Legal line of Joseph/Jesus.
Ruth 1:4 says Ruth was a woman taken from Moab (geographical location Not from Moab the man or his line) Ruth 4:5 again relates to the land /Geographical sense of the term!
Ruth 1:1-3 we see Elimelech's family (a Jewish Family) in Moab (the Land). I take it you know that according to Rabbinic Judaisim, Jewish identity (of the seed) is through the mother but tribal identification is of the Father. One of the sons of Elimelech took Ruth to wife Ruth 1:4 (still carrying the geographical sense) never said she wasnt of the congregation of the seed or faith of Israel! Boaz ordainied it and he was of relation to Elimelech Ruth 2:1. so Moab wasn't used in the geographical sense (which we have clear evidence it was) then Boaz would have been offending Torah as well as Ruths (Jewish) Husband that also dwelled in Moab. (Ruth 4:5/ Ruth 4:9) Boaz called Ruth daughter showing me that she was identified in a phy sense to be related to Israel (Ruth2:8). Ruth 2:11 drives it home for me.
I ask you was Elimelech (a Levite) also a Moabite (of Moab)? ONLY in a geographical sense. The standard of Deut 23:3 never would have applied to Ruth if all this is true .
________
Rabbinic commentaries point out that "Moabite" in Deut.23:3 is in the masculine thus not excluding Ruth (IF she be of Moab in any other way than location). However the prior verse stress the females need to be of the descendants of Jacob. Otherwise the seed would still be considered outside of the camp!
The individual asked if the curse(LAW) of Deut 23:3 was removed from Ruth (after claiming Boaz redeemed her).
As for relation to the Law, I don't believe laws are removed but rather fulfilled. In this case the only fulfillment is to institute the standard. However upon comparing scriptures i think modernized interpretion is where the issue is.
Example: Within the scriptures we have 3 uses of the term "Jew". 1) one of the tribe of Judah (PHY. descendants of Judah) Some lump all tribes under this identification when each had their own 2)Geographical: one who dwells in the territory of Judah and when the kingdom was split one who considers Jerusalem the capital & its king the king 3) one of the Faith according to Torah(Word). The same goes with the use of Moab in the scriptures! (Geographical,& OR Physical relation /by blood)
Deut 23:3 say no Moabite in the congregation H#4125 a Moabite or Moabitess, that is, a 1)Descendant from Moab <-individual not location (phy): - (woman) of Moab (geographical anor or phy?), Moabite (-ish, -ss). in relation to a people
Can we apply this to Ruth 1:4? Can we say that Ruth being a "stranger" (Ruth 2:10)means foreigner (geographic loc.) rather than tribal lieniage? H#5237
Matt 1:5 says Ruth is in the Regal/Legal line of Joseph/Jesus.
Ruth 1:4 says Ruth was a woman taken from Moab (geographical location Not from Moab the man or his line) Ruth 4:5 again relates to the land /Geographical sense of the term!
Ruth 1:1-3 we see Elimelech's family (a Jewish Family) in Moab (the Land). I take it you know that according to Rabbinic Judaisim, Jewish identity (of the seed) is through the mother but tribal identification is of the Father. One of the sons of Elimelech took Ruth to wife Ruth 1:4 (still carrying the geographical sense) never said she wasnt of the congregation of the seed or faith of Israel! Boaz ordainied it and he was of relation to Elimelech Ruth 2:1. so Moab wasn't used in the geographical sense (which we have clear evidence it was) then Boaz would have been offending Torah as well as Ruths (Jewish) Husband that also dwelled in Moab. (Ruth 4:5/ Ruth 4:9) Boaz called Ruth daughter showing me that she was identified in a phy sense to be related to Israel (Ruth2:8). Ruth 2:11 drives it home for me.
I ask you was Elimelech (a Levite) also a Moabite (of Moab)? ONLY in a geographical sense. The standard of Deut 23:3 never would have applied to Ruth if all this is true .
________
Rabbinic commentaries point out that "Moabite" in Deut.23:3 is in the masculine thus not excluding Ruth (IF she be of Moab in any other way than location). However the prior verse stress the females need to be of the descendants of Jacob. Otherwise the seed would still be considered outside of the camp!
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